Originally Posted by
double_barrel
In this case, it seems tough to blame just the pilot for that dreadful ATC procedure. They tacked an irrelevant question onto the end of a critical hold-short instruction and ignored the lack of a read-back.
I don't know if the question is irrelevant, since I don't know the operations at the airport.
If anything, stressing "hold short of XXX...." before asking a question, should keep the crew attention on the taxi of the aircraft, while answering the question, is not that bad a tactic.
The ICAO and the EASA action plan for the prevention of runway incursions, both have good pointers, they both stress that ATC clearances should be given before taxi, and if any changes, (indirectly) wait until the aircraft is at the holding point before giving them, using the "hold position" first, again to stress it.
https://www.icao.int/safety/RunwaySa...al_prev_RI.pdf
https://www.skybrary.aero/bookshelf/books/4093.pdf
So you can argue for both, since the question was not a clearance.
The ATCO did not challenge the lack of readback.
On another note, 2 aircraft operating on the same runway on 2 different frequencies..... I personally don't like that, cause beside looking down the runway before crossing, it also givesthe pilots the option of hearing what is going on on said runway.