Originally Posted by
Paddleboat
Garbage shoveled point 1.
The idea that somehow the AFAP has failed at 'negotiations'. You have been challenged on this point so many times now I have lost count, up to and including my very last post. And as always, like clockwork, you just neatly step around it and pretend like it never even happened.
No deal has been done so as it currently stands AFAP has failed at the negotiations. It appears to have complicated matters by setting the expectations of what it could negotiate at a level that cannot be achieved. Why are you so sensitive about this point? Are you one of the negotiators?
Originally Posted by
Paddleboat
There. Is. No. Offer. Of. Negotiation. From. The. Company. Its 3%, that's it. Nothing else. Every material thing the AFAP has put forward has been simply dismissed out of hand by the company. The company has written to the pilots and the union and stated in the clearest possible terms that they will not even meet with AFAP unless they agree to the 3% policy and don't even ATTEMPT to bring up any bargaining point that they company rejects.
Again sounds very much like someone has complicated matters by setting the expectations of what could be negotiated at a level that cannot be achieved.
Originally Posted by
Paddleboat
Your point is garbage because it relies on the false premise that the company has any interest in negotiation. They do not, and demonstrably so. The fact you haven't made a single criticism of the company or its 'negotiators' belies your position and intent in this thread.
3% is already on the table at a time when CPI is 1.7%. Its not like they have offered nothing.
Originally Posted by
Paddleboat
Garbage shoveled point 2 - Your ridiculous 'precedent' argument. Again, as is the way for your kind at Coward St, you have simply ignored the rebuttal to this argument.
There is no rebuttal to this argument. It is fact. If one group gets 7.5% then everyone else will be asking for 7.5%.
Originally Posted by
Paddleboat
You don't get to pick and choose which precedents suit you.
Exactly, listen to your own advice here.
Originally Posted by
Paddleboat
On the other you wish to declare that the precedent being set by our peers in competitor and group airlines are irrelevant, and we should all be happy with being the considerably lowest paid pilots in the category, whilst doing the most work and holding the most responsibility.
Its an enterprise bargaining system, not an industry bargaining system. This has its strengths and weaknesses. Under this system, professionals are not paid the same for doing the same job in different organisations. That is the whole premise behind enterprise bargaining. Different organisations can pay different rates for the same jobs as long as they meet the minimum requirements. Your working for a "Sunfish" enterprise and that has implications that cannot be ignored.
Originally Posted by
Paddleboat
How are we going to solve this problem? Same way Ryanair solved their problem from an equally belligerent management group. For all their bluster, threats and insults of their own pilots in the media (sound familiar?), there is a financial reality to what we can do that ultimately cannot be ignored.
Good luck.