Originally Posted by
CamelSquadron
Your sinking when you have to rely on that bottom feeder who is very accustomed to scavenging around in complete darkness.
Ad hominem. No idea who you think "your" fooling. And just for my own amusement.
CamelSquadron post #427 : "Anyway lets stop playing the person here"
Brilliant.
Originally Posted by
CamelSquadron
So lets clear this up, what is the garbage I have been shoveling?
Oh it's already quite clear. Where to start! Very nearly every single post you've made in this thread has been crafted with the intent to sow fear and uncertainty. But lets just deal with the pure garbage first.
Originally Posted by
CamelSquadron
"The real question is, how bad are the negotiators that they have allowed the situation to deteriorate to this level? It really is a damming for the Union negotiators. A good negotiator would have found the middle ground without the need for PIA. How bad are the negotiators that they have set the expectations of a deal on their side at a level that cannot be achieved?"
Garbage shoveled point 1.
The idea that somehow the AFAP has failed at 'negotiations'. You have been challenged on this point so many times now I have lost count, up to and
including my very last post. And as always, like clockwork, you just neatly step around it and pretend like it never even happened.
There. Is. No. Offer. Of. Negotiation. From. The. Company. Its 3%, that's it. Nothing else. Every material thing the AFAP has put forward has been simply dismissed out of hand by the company. The company has written to the pilots and the union and stated in the clearest possible terms that they will not even meet with AFAP unless they agree to the 3% policy and don't even ATTEMPT to bring up any bargaining point that they company rejects.
Your point is garbage because it relies on the false premise that the company has any interest in negotiation. They do not, and demonstrably so. The fact you haven't made a single criticism of the company or its 'negotiators' belies your position and intent in this thread.
Originally Posted by CamelSquadron
Get a 5% wage increase, then everyone else will be demanding a 5% increase instead of 3%.
Garbage shoveled point 2 - Your ridiculous 'precedent' argument. Again, as is the way for your kind at Coward St, you have simply ignored the rebuttal to this argument.
You don't get to pick and choose which precedents suit you. One one hand you want us to believe that slipping beyond 3% would instantly make all other EBAs indefensible against the same demands. On the other you wish to declare that the precedent being set by our peers in competitor and group airlines are irrelevant, and we should all be happy with being the considerably lowest paid pilots in the category, whilst doing the most work and holding the most responsibility. Not to mention of course that you lot certainly DO use the precedent set by your management peers at other companies to improve your salaries, again picking and choosing the precedents that suit you.
It is a fallacious argument.
I could go on but for the sake of brevity, and the fact you'll almost certainly simply ignore this argument like you have all the others, lets move on.
Originally Posted by CamelSquadron
From your own words, the company has made it very clear that it considers your asking for something that it cannot give. So you have a very big problem. Expectations have been set by the Union for an outcome can be achieved that cannot be achieved. How are you going to solve this problem?
The company has no credibility with the pilot group, what they say is irrelevant. How are we going to solve this problem? Same way Ryanair solved their problem from an equally belligerent management group. For all their bluster, threats and insults of their own pilots in the media (sound familiar?), there is a financial reality to what we can do that ultimately cannot be ignored. O'Leary found that out the hard way, and it cost him 20% on his wage bill.