Originally Posted by
Raph737
Nope. The study shows data up to 2015 related to education and shows no difference between M and F in Europe. Data of employment is up to 2010, hardly related to someone born in 1989.
Originally Posted by
Raph737
]2. No, it hasn't been reversed. You are having a "poor me" attitude because you can't get a flying job and other female cadets, seem to be surpassing you, even with the current push, the numbers still nowhere near and there is still not enough interest from their part. What people are trying to do is to motivate and inspire young girls to take careers in STEM. It's about the mentality, you should consider yours too.
As you wish. I'm more than happily employed at the moment, but this does not mean I shouldn't point out something I feel to be wrong.
One of the best students in my engineering class was a girl, she's one of the smarter, if not the smartest, people I've known so far. I have no problem saying that, and you know why? Because she was subject to the same selection and evaluation process as I was.
The problem with me lies when the playfield is not leveled.
Originally Posted by
Raph737
3. You admit here that you are pissed off. But many years ago women couldn't even apply, so now we know how they feel like. And in all honesty, the only airline that attempted a female-only program, fell flat(EZY). Easyjet had to change the requirements and I agree with you that it wasn't done properly.
THIS is the point. I wasn't too young to "benefit" from "male only" selections, yet I'm supposed to stay put when I see "female only" selections because someone older than me had an advantage in the past. Do you think this is fair? Would you do it?
You're just pissing off a generation of males, which will look for a way to create "male only" selections in the future...you can see we're going nowhere with this process...
And no, it wasn't only easyJet:
Female only scholarships under fire
Oxford
Just another example: in my country you can fund a startup and get a really low taxation level for 5 years, but it's available to under 35 applicants only. UNLESS, you're a woman, then there's no age discrimination. Is this an equal opportunity?
Originally Posted by
Raph737
That said, you can go to China and earn a ton of money there, Muslims and black and women cant. You can apply to most opportunities in Asia, Africa and they cant.
Corporate jets? The same. It's widespread and my point is, again, that men have not been discriminated in aviation.
Why should I relocate in another continent? I should have equal opportunities in my country, anything else is discrimination.
Again, as I live in Europe I don't think I should "pay" to compensate the advantages men have in China, Muslim countries, etc...if corporate jets are discriminating this should be pointed out and punished accordingly. And again, I shouldn't be "paying" for a discrimination made by someone else which I have totally no power about.
Originally Posted by
Raph737
Again, the push is to equality of opportunity, not of outcome.
It should be, but I don't think it is honestly.
Originally Posted by
Raph737
5. When you get to the flight deck you will see certain attitudes by captains of a different generation and you will understand why some women are put off by the profession.
Again, someone had their cake and ate it, now I'm supposed to compensate for the advantages THEY had? I'm already paying their pensions, something which I probably won't even get and living the consequences of past mistakes, what else?
Originally Posted by
Raph737
6. Populism? no. Open source, there is a wealth of information online and if you're passionate about the subject, you'll see that this thread is absolute nonsense.
I think this thread was just a provocation, but the discussion we're having has a lot of sense...otherwise I won't be losing my time here.
Originally Posted by
Raph737
7. In regards to your FTO example, what country was this? and your FTO was cynical in using a serious issue to capitalize on her social media following, and using for a cheap
PR opportunity. Is it her fault tho? Would you take it if it was you? food for thought. Also, what makes you think she would perform worse than you in an airline assessment? Who are you to judge her capabilities?
It was in Italy. Yes she was just being used as a marketing tool to me. No, it wasn't her fault and yes, I would have taken the money too, that's for sure.
BUT
The "competition" was put together by other women in higher positions, they all received at least 2000€ just for being female students, paid with the money I gained working, nothing available for the most "instagrammable" male pilot and the rest of us.
Does this seem fair to you?
And truth to be told, there was another girl studying there while working full time (the "winner" wasn't working at the time), with better ATPL scores and just more knowledgeable...but 10k to the more "instagrammable" with barely passed ATPLs. Is this the equality we're looking for? Are we really looking for equality and merit or is it just marketing?
Are we sure that larger campaigns like the orange one comes from goodwill and not by a marketing strategist?
I have my opinion about it, and I'm sure you already know what my thinking is...
And to be fair I didn't say I was performing or would perform better than "the winner" or anyone else.