Track I know what you mean. I have the same problem on the B733 when the rain is pissing down and you're trying to land the ******. You can't hear anything but a constant roar as the rain drops pound the windscreen at 250km/h.. .. .Using the sound of the jet engines on final is alot like using the sound of a car engine when driving. Especially one with manual transmission. I just seem to have a much better connection with the machine when I can hear the note (musical note that is). It's hard to explain really.. .. .Of course you can still fly the plane. It's just that you are deprived of one of the many cues you use to get the job done. You don't even realise you use it until it's missing.. .. .I didn't know ****** was considered a rude word. It hasn't even got four letters! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="confused.gif" />. . . . <small>[ 04 March 2002, 13:19: Message edited by: Blip ]</small>