Lot of turnover and new hires in short haul Conductor so I guess that partly explains it, don’t forget the Self Interest option with lots of crew about to leave to Longhaul and wanting to get backpay. Anyone that has been in short haul more than a heart beat definitely knows not to vote YES on the first ballot, they caused it and we will continue it, hell they could have offered 10% per year pay rise but it still would have struggled because of their past track record of immediately offering a better deal after a NO vote. Somehow I reckon they pre planned this one though because the initial offer was pretty much worse than the same EBA with 3%.