Well said What The. Here's the problem in a nutshell. Joyce was given the job of destroying QANTAS after Rod Eddington initiated the decline by merging Australian with the airline to fatten it for sale. That ensured it's safety record would eventually crumble, and Joyce has simply continued the demoralization and degradation of a once strong company. In simple language, they are both traitors to the airline and staff. Cabin Crew played a large role in the demoralization and degradation of the company, first by management allowing hosties to stay past their use by date, then by allowing too many jobs for friends, family, sex, or sexual preference, rather than on merit. The same is true of aircrew, many of whom are Captain's kids, commonly called Seagulls, because you have to throw rocks at them to make them fly. If the employees want to save the company it would require a Herculean effort from all concerned. Best of luck.