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Old 29th Apr 2019, 20:45
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Originally Posted by wonkazoo

With those two statements on offer- and the acknowledgement that there is plenty of blame to go around, the question I have is why are you not focusing on Boeing, the corporate culture that created this monster, the profit-driven betrayal of everyone here, and the fact that they are clearly working to pull a rabbit out of the hat in lieu of actually starting over again- which is what any rational society would require them to do. Yes, we know who the four crew members are, so that makes them easy targets, but if the professionals on this forum are willing to eat their own while looking the other way as Boeing goes about its PR campaign then what does that really say about all of us??
Why indeed?

Let me answer a question with a question.

Are you more interesting in bitching or saving lives?

Sorry to put it so bluntly, but really that is what it comes down to. I've already answered this query, but let me state it again. There was a chain of causation in these accidents. That chain consisted of the following:

1. Lapses at Boeing
2. Lapses at the FAA and other certificate authorities
3. At least in the case of Lion Air, lapses in the maintenance/logistics area.
4. Lapses within the airlines in terms of education, training, policies, and culture​​​​​​.
5. Lapses in flight crew member actions

Granted, some may have a different list, but this mine for moment. Now let me ask very pointedly, if the goal is to increase the safety of our operations and prevent future accidents, which item on this list do we, as front line operators, have the most power to effect?

I don't care how insightful or detailed of analysis anyone on this forum could come up with on items 1 thru 3, the chance of it making any difference is essentially zero. It might make you feel better in some respects, but it will not change a thing. Maybe, if the right people are paying attention here, we could have an impact on item 4. However, if the motivation is truly to improve safety and save lives, item 5 is where we ought to spend our time.

As I've said several times already, you can't solve a problem until you recognize a problem exists. I'm sorry if in the course of defining the problem it appears that we are "eating our own," but that is not the intent.

BTW, doesn't it really bug you how Boeing, the FAA, and the airlines try to be all mushy-mouth in saying that they really didn't screw things up? Of course they did!

Why don't they just admit it and get on with fixing their problems?!

That is a very good question indeed.
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