Originally Posted by
gums
Salute!
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I am trying to follow the ROE for our forum, but it's getting hard. I do not mean to diminish the length and breadth of experience that many pilots here have contributed to the discussion. But somethimes I get a little testy.
My fear is that some lurking here will think that we lost two planes and 300 passengers because incompetent crews did not simply turn off two switches within seconds of raising flaps at normal altitude and speed with the stall warning system telling them they were stalling and their airspeed was FUBAR.
The primary contributing factor to loss of control in the Lion crash and likely the Ethiopian one ,is gonna be the MCAS and its implementatio without fairly documenting it for the crews and not considering its activation at a corner of the envelope it was not intended for.
Gums...
Gums,
Mostly everyone here who is *not* a pilot realizes that the rushed certification of the Max is the real issue.
AFAIK nobody except Boeing lawyers and maybe the families is going to lay the blame on those pilots. Anyone, pilot or not, who reads the details of MCAS spooling up time and again in those cockpits thinks "there but for the grace of God go I".
But there is one interesting question though which is why those who survived such MCAS incidents prior to the Lion Air crash did not document them and raise a stink. Was it because they thought they had made an operational mistake?
Edmund