Originally Posted by
dozing4dollars
I haven’t flown a 73 but on the 72 (if I recall correctly) during a runaway, the first instinctual response was to apose the runaway with opposite elevator. This ingaged the trim brake. The noise of the brake verses the runaway trim was a giveaway to use the cutout switches.
I don’t think this would happen as the MCAS does not activate the brake. All that sim training on runaway stab wouldn’t help because it’s not a runaway.
The stall horn and stick shaker would make pulling back and trimming nose up counter to all training that a pilot receives from initial stall recovery in a Cessna with a stall horn through to transport aircraft.
Two responses to two different stimulus. One Stall Recovery and one Unreliable Airspeed mask the third undocumented MCAS.
To learn anything from any accident you need to have empathy for those involved. Not just the pilots but the line mechanics, Boeing and FAA engineers. The true villains, senior management, board members and yes, even politicians will never be held accountable
The USA government shutdown that both political parties participated in was also a factor.
... and hence, the voters like you
Yes, clearly different than a runway and yes, the column cutout doesn't work with MCAS. Yes the trim wheel moving, even in manual flight, even when not trimming with the yoke switch is normal in a 737. That said you would think in 7-12 minutes of watching the nose get heavier and heavier and the trim moving downward on occasion on its own you would kill the trim with the stab cutout switches. I totally get the anger at Boeing but experienced 737 pilots should be able to figure this out, in particular with a bit of time, and after the Lion Air accident and the required reading of the MCAS system and its failure mode you would think any 737 MAX pilot would be able to figure this out very, very quickly let alone with time. Lots of blame to go around here in these accidents, starts with Boeing but as usual it ends in the point end of the jet.