Originally Posted by
YPJT
Don't the RAAF and AsA controllers sit in the same room in Perth. Surely a bit of coordination between the two could have averted the denial of a clearance without restriction.
they do but it wouldn’t help here where it’s a case of a military aircraft in civil airspace waiting on a clearance into a CTZ.
Those tapes are garbage so it’s pretty hard to make out how it played out, but it sounded like a question of ‘are you ready to go now’ ‘yes’ ‘cleared bla bla bla’ then after 3 minutes when Phnx81 hadn’t started their run in yet the clearance was cancelled and a departure lined up on 24.
When it comes to military fly bys on important days controllers are usually pretty well briefed on what it entails, and will usually add a little bit of fat on each side of a target time. Usually involves a lot of coordination between the tower and approach/deps - and a misunderstanding in this may have led to the clearance being cancelled (
speculating: departures saw a natural gap, asked Hawk if they were ready now, hawk said yes, cleared in - departures
didnt see the necessity to STOP departures as they anticipated them being done before next one hit the holding point, HAWK’s ‘ready’ should of been ‘ready in 3’, hadnt commenced run in before next departure lined up, aircraft on final so can’t leave one sitting lined up, HAWK’S clearance cancelled until they can sight and maintain sep with departing traffic.)