Hope I didn't come across as aggressive becos did'nt mean to - also recognise thankless job PC are trying to do but for heavens sake snap out of the cosy relationship with people that have repeatedly shown us that we can't trust them - for me, any changes to the duty rules are not welcome but if they do happen then the 5 and 3 has to be a contrcatual right and I doubt that they will agree to that so to avoid wasting time, get it on the table now