US: PIC time is when you are actually handling the controls OR you are in a multi-pilot aircraft and are the designated PIC. So, for the purpose of ATP qualifying time, both count.
HOWEVER, airlines reviewing your logbook for a job generally consider ONLY that time where you are the designated PIC, in the case of multi-pilot aircraft. If you show them a logbook with ONLY PIC time, and no Copilot time, they will likely question it as possible fraud.
It's time to look at the Canadian civil regulations...