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Old 18th May 2008, 20:22   #1 (permalink)
 
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OpenSkies? Sell your soul

I've just had sight via email of some of the employment contract for OS.

It's like Ryanair on a bad day.

Still if what I have heard is true most of the FO's are not English so anything goes when you're desperate. Very sad.

Unless we fight these idiots this is the future of our profession, exactly what the Leprechaun wants.

" The Company may extend your probationary period by giving notice to you. You or the Company may
terminate your employment at any time during the probationary period by giving no less than 1 month's written notice."

"You acknowledge that it is a material term of the contract that you will be required to be flexible to accommodate the changing demands of the business of the
Company and its Associated Companies. The Company may vary any aspect of your role and duties from time to time."

"In each applicable bonus year the Company will determine in its absolute discretion whether any bonus is payable and the level of any such bonus."


"The Company may instruct you as to when all or part of your holiday entitlement should be taken. You may be required to work on any public or
statutory holidays without additional remuneration. The Company may cancel any planned holiday in the event that business reasons require it. In such circumstances
you will be permitted to rebook the holiday
You will be operationally assigned to a cluster of airports within Europe (a "Cluster'? and a nominated airport within that Cluster from which your flying cycles will
normally begin (a "Gateway Airport'). The Company may at any time and at its sole discretion: (a) change your nominated Gateway Airport; (b) change the airports
included in a Cluster; and/or (c) change the Cluster to which you are operationally assigned"


"You will work such hours as the Company rosters you to work. Rosters will be made available at a reasonable period prior to each flying cycle. The Company may vary
the rostering arrangements at any time"
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Old 18th May 2008, 20:27   #2 (permalink)
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Well. If ever MOL is incapacitated Willie is a shoe in.

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Old 19th May 2008, 15:07   #3 (permalink)
 
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Probably the same conditions as at Flyglobespan , XL , Jet2 , Astreas plus all the mainland-europe 757 or 767 operators.

Old aircraft and unstable airlines , not the top terms and conditions.

What else is new ? Openskies certainly not.

Next.
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Old 19th May 2008, 16:24   #4 (permalink)
 
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Probably the same conditions as at Flyglobespan , XL , Jet2 , Astreas plus all the mainland-europe 757 or 767 operators
Which is probably why there are some from each of the above airlines who've gone to join OS.

I imagine Nigel, you are from BA? The strike is none of my business but I hope BA pilots don't take it out on those who OS has empolyed.

Then again, most BA crews ignore everyone else from other airlines anyway!
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Old 19th May 2008, 16:40   #5 (permalink)
 
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Then again, most BA crews ignore everyone else from other airlines anyway
Of course they do, they can't be arsed listening to cheap digs like that from yet another comedian. Anway, I never ignore another airlines hosties.

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I hope BA pilots don't take it out on those who OS has empolyed
You mean all those guys who broke the IFALPA recruitment ban?
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Old 19th May 2008, 18:12   #6 (permalink)
 
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Ive read the open lies contract and can assure you ,most charter contracts despite the usual issues, have none of that crap in it.
As for the ones that allegedly may be going from xl or jet2 etc.I Am not immediately aware but looking at the the usual trends other than the posible ex BAretiree they are probably the usual suspects who have run out of companies to p1ss off. A motely crew of transient chaps who have done the rounds thru most of the companies mentioned below and still cant figure out why they cant hold down a job.

Is hiring transient moaners part of open skies busines plan?

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Old 19th May 2008, 18:13   #7 (permalink)
 
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It's not a cheap dig at anyone nor am I taking sides and I also happen to be a union member.

Those who I know who've gone to OS are extremely experienced and very good pilots.

My point is that OS would of employed someone no-matter what so don't take it out on those who have been employed.
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Old 19th May 2008, 18:48   #8 (permalink)
 
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My point is that OS would of employed someone no-matter what so don't take it out on those who have been employed.
Or, alternatively, if everyone had respected the IFALPA ban, it would have made the cause of improving the conditions much easier.
Breaking a recruitment ban on the premise that someone else will if you won't still makes you a scab.
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Old 19th May 2008, 19:40   #9 (permalink)
 
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Be very careful 757speedbrakes.
It makes no difference whether you're a union member or no, if you criticise, or imply criticism of BA the moderator is likely to remove your posts without warning.

Good point, well made - doubt it will last the day.
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Old 19th May 2008, 19:45   #10 (permalink)
 
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quote hand solo : You mean all those guys who broke the IFALPA recruitment ban?

The what?? its not worth the paper its printed on! If you are not a union member you are very unlikely to have heard of it. It has no legal weight at all, bit like your strike action!

quote: Anway, I never ignore another airlines hosties.

thats probably because your own wont socialise with you down route! It is a well know fact that nigels are often abandoned by their cabin crew.....i wonder why?
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Old 19th May 2008, 19:52   #11 (permalink)
 
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It has no legal weight at all, bit like your strike action!
If you are going to try to goad us 757flyer then at least try to keep up with facts. Even BA aren't disputing the legality of a strike action. If I were you I'd go back to thinking hard for a few weeks about trying to come up with a decent put down then pop back and amuse us once more. There's a good chap.

PS If you learn how to do proper quotes like I've just done it'll make your posts look so much better. That ought to keep you busy for a while.
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Old 19th May 2008, 20:04   #12 (permalink)
 
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No need mr Hand Shandy, most of us couldnt give a flying about BA its pilots or your dispute. For years you have taken advantage or ignored the plight of other pilots groups (Dan Air etc) and quite frankly deserve everything thats coming to you. Its a damn cheek that you expect others to take action on your behalf and your threats about ignoring a worthless IFALPA ban are just that.....worthless.

As for the "but if we loose this your terms and conditions will suffer", absolute rubbish!

Now go and see if you can socialise with one of your own hosties, a much bigger challenge for you..........That ought to keep you busy for a while. or an impossible mission?
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Old 19th May 2008, 20:06   #13 (permalink)
 
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Good to see the bitterness come flowing out 757flyer, I trust it is cathartic for you. Still struggling with the quotes thing I see.
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Old 19th May 2008, 21:44   #14 (permalink)
 
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Yet another thread degenerates into mud-slinging and anyone offering an alternative view is treated as a heretic.

The way I see it, BA are starting a subsidary serving new routes - no one is losing their job and no one is having a pay cut. Indeed some guys are getting a job that is presumeably better than the one their leaving otherwise they wouldn't be doing it so I see that as a good thing.

BA pilots are no better or worse than any others I've come across in my 30 years in aviation - met some great guys and some not so good both from BA and from elsewhere. One thing BA pilots don't ever seem to grasp is that aviation is bigger than BA; there are lots of others guys out there who want the best job they can get.
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Old 19th May 2008, 22:07   #15 (permalink)
 
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Great post gypsy, well said!
757flyer likewise.
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Old 19th May 2008, 22:09   #16 (permalink)
 
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Still smarting from BACX Beerbelly?
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Old 19th May 2008, 22:12   #17 (permalink)
 
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What an unpleasant patronising erk you really are Hand, may you live in interesting times!
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Old 19th May 2008, 22:25   #18 (permalink)
 
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Blimey they're all coming out of the woodwork tonight, wonder how many more multiple identity BACX posters will be disclosed? May we all live in times when any thread related to BA can run it's course without a stream of ex-BACX employees coming out to vent their spleens. I fear I'll be an old, old man before that happens.
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Old 19th May 2008, 22:30   #19 (permalink)
 
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It will become obvious very soon just whom will be in the majority at OS.
Low-time, under-qualified, those with violations , life time non-sched guys and otherwise undesirables willing to ignore and subvert the hiring ban. In a nut shell, people who lack character. No wonder Willie has sought you out, he is just like you.

Rationalize it any way you can that let's you live with the fact...you are a SCAB and will be remembered by your colleagues as such for all of your days.
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Old 19th May 2008, 22:41   #20 (permalink)
 
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Well here's another one Hand.
Just wondering if your IFALPA recruitment ban applies to ex BACXers returning to their previous employment status? Working for a BA subsidiary company.

Does this attract full scab status, or is there a watered down version?
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