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Questions
Wonder if those in the know might assist with:
1) What are the average per diems per month? I am
using a ballpark figure of USD1200.
2) How many hours can the B744 pilots expect to fly
per month?
3) What are the B744 destinations?
4) How often do the B744 pilots position about as passengers
to and from duty, broken down into hours of positioning per month?
5) What eating establishments are nearby the Incheon hotel?
6) Is the internet complimentary for KE crews at the
Hyatt?
7) How long does the bog standard pilot's ground and line training take? A month? Three?
8) When passengering home each month, who takes
priority between pilots going to the same home base if
there are limited seats? Does seniority by date of
joining (for seat preference) apply in these
instances?
9) Does the Medical Insurance cover for in-patient and
out-patient treatment? Does it cover emergency and non-emergency
dental work, and may a pilot seek medical assistance
at his home base, or only in Korea?
10) How many days can you expect to be in the
Incheon Hyatt per month?
11) Is the hotel room vacated when away from Incheon?
I'd imagine so...
12) If per diems came to, say, US$1200 per month, does that make the take home pay US$13,200.00?
13) Is that it, or are there other components to the salary?
14) Would anyone mind providing an example of a KAL B744
pilot's roster?
PM me if you like, or perhaps just post it here.
Thanks in advance.
1) What are the average per diems per month? I am
using a ballpark figure of USD1200.
2) How many hours can the B744 pilots expect to fly
per month?
3) What are the B744 destinations?
4) How often do the B744 pilots position about as passengers
to and from duty, broken down into hours of positioning per month?
5) What eating establishments are nearby the Incheon hotel?
6) Is the internet complimentary for KE crews at the
Hyatt?
7) How long does the bog standard pilot's ground and line training take? A month? Three?
8) When passengering home each month, who takes
priority between pilots going to the same home base if
there are limited seats? Does seniority by date of
joining (for seat preference) apply in these
instances?
9) Does the Medical Insurance cover for in-patient and
out-patient treatment? Does it cover emergency and non-emergency
dental work, and may a pilot seek medical assistance
at his home base, or only in Korea?
10) How many days can you expect to be in the
Incheon Hyatt per month?
11) Is the hotel room vacated when away from Incheon?
I'd imagine so...
12) If per diems came to, say, US$1200 per month, does that make the take home pay US$13,200.00?
13) Is that it, or are there other components to the salary?
14) Would anyone mind providing an example of a KAL B744
pilot's roster?
PM me if you like, or perhaps just post it here.
Thanks in advance.
Last edited by 4PW's; 12th Jan 2007 at 11:47.
1) close
2) not on type
3) the world excluding Africa and s america
4) see2)
5) Thai, chicken and beer, chinese, korean
6) yes
7) 3
8) you are first in and best dressed/no to seniority
9) Check with you contract co. each one is different
10) 5-8
11) yes unless you go management
12) if your salary is 12000, yes (12000 + 1200 =13200 even in Korea)
13) occasionally a "safety bonus" but don't plan on it
14 see 2)
2) not on type
3) the world excluding Africa and s america
4) see2)
5) Thai, chicken and beer, chinese, korean
6) yes
7) 3
8) you are first in and best dressed/no to seniority
9) Check with you contract co. each one is different
10) 5-8
11) yes unless you go management
12) if your salary is 12000, yes (12000 + 1200 =13200 even in Korea)
13) occasionally a "safety bonus" but don't plan on it
14 see 2)
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Maui
I assume you´re a teamate on the 777 (though I´m not with KAL).
Regarding your previous (and good) answers, may I disagree on some points: I don´t think the environment have such professional friendleness and fairness.
Recently a number of excelent and vastly experienced expat captains were fired without aparent reason. Some of them I know personnaly and they professional records are as good as can be. Impeccable 30 plus years careers.
TRE, TRIs for long time.
How can be that?
Regarding your previous (and good) answers, may I disagree on some points: I don´t think the environment have such professional friendleness and fairness.
Recently a number of excelent and vastly experienced expat captains were fired without aparent reason. Some of them I know personnaly and they professional records are as good as can be. Impeccable 30 plus years careers.
TRE, TRIs for long time.
How can be that?
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maui,
thanks for taking the time to reply. In an attempt to make more sense of it all, would you mind telling us which fleet you are on? Which agency would you recommend? The Isle of Man lot, the Texans, or the Kiwis (I have read your views on the fourth option so doubt you will be recommending them!)
Thanks in advance.
thanks for taking the time to reply. In an attempt to make more sense of it all, would you mind telling us which fleet you are on? Which agency would you recommend? The Isle of Man lot, the Texans, or the Kiwis (I have read your views on the fourth option so doubt you will be recommending them!)
Thanks in advance.
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Tickets for days off at home base
Hi Maui,
Thanks for the concise answers. They are appreciated by us all.
I really should have put questions 1) and 12) this way: is the final package about $13200 a month, or are there hidden additives? You did mention a safety bonus, though the CCL/Rischworth contracts do not.
About the free tickets to a nominated home base every month, neither the CCL nor the Rischworth contracts speak of these being guaranteed, though that noun is used when describing travelling to commence a duty, and in the instance of Economy tickets four times a year on the network for family members.
It appears the monthly tickets home are either on the GD, or as a ticketed passenger, but in both cases travel is on standby basis. Is that correct, sir?
It also seems that priority between pilots travelling to the same base, and there must be a few going to Sydney each month, is on a first come first served basis. That's ok, but if someone doesn't get on and has to stay in the Incheon Hyatt another night, may I ask who pays the hotel bill please?
Finally, may I ask how many hours you fly each month on the B777 fleet? It may be representative of what sort of utilization the company is looking for in its expat pilot group, be they on the A330, B737, B777 or B744.
Knowing the answers to these and other questions goes a long way in assessing the merits of the job on offer, so thanks for your time, Maui.
Thanks for the concise answers. They are appreciated by us all.
I really should have put questions 1) and 12) this way: is the final package about $13200 a month, or are there hidden additives? You did mention a safety bonus, though the CCL/Rischworth contracts do not.
About the free tickets to a nominated home base every month, neither the CCL nor the Rischworth contracts speak of these being guaranteed, though that noun is used when describing travelling to commence a duty, and in the instance of Economy tickets four times a year on the network for family members.
It appears the monthly tickets home are either on the GD, or as a ticketed passenger, but in both cases travel is on standby basis. Is that correct, sir?
It also seems that priority between pilots travelling to the same base, and there must be a few going to Sydney each month, is on a first come first served basis. That's ok, but if someone doesn't get on and has to stay in the Incheon Hyatt another night, may I ask who pays the hotel bill please?
Finally, may I ask how many hours you fly each month on the B777 fleet? It may be representative of what sort of utilization the company is looking for in its expat pilot group, be they on the A330, B737, B777 or B744.
Knowing the answers to these and other questions goes a long way in assessing the merits of the job on offer, so thanks for your time, Maui.
Gents
Full forward. I don't quite understand the context of your comment re professionlism, friendliness etc. I thought we were discussing T&C's.
Regarding bulk firing of anyone, can you give some more detail, cos I don't know who you are referring to. If you are talking about intake or transition training, there have been a few that have fallen by the wayside, some under dubious justification.
Ndege pilot
I'm on 777. Contracted to CCL, by my choice having been ripped off unmercifully by IAC Pacific. CCL has by far the greatest number of pilots here, and also handle Alteon insructors in these parts.
Choice of contract co is vey much up to the individual, as each has some pro's and con's. A word of caution though. Once you apply and come here on interview, you are locked (for the next 5 years) into the contractor who arranged it.
You cannot come here by invitation of one, and then jump to another.
4PW's
What you see is what you get. Safety bonus or any other for that matter, is at sole discretion of KAL. Maybe they will pay one, mabe not. Maybe you'll participate in it, mabe not. For planning purposes, it does not exist.
A misconception about travel to base. It is not done by ticket. You are rostered to do it. Must travel, not subload. No offload. No seniority/priority, you are on. No accomodation costs. If you were offloaded, (I've not known that to occur in the last 10+ years), KAL would accomodate you. On a very few occasions I have heard of a lack of business class seats, requiring ecy travel home, (very rare).
Family tickets are a different story, but in my experience usually works pretty well, depending on seasonal loads.
Work on 85 + hours. I think the 744 is doing a bit more than that at the moment, but it varies a bit on a seasonal basis.
M
Full forward. I don't quite understand the context of your comment re professionlism, friendliness etc. I thought we were discussing T&C's.
Regarding bulk firing of anyone, can you give some more detail, cos I don't know who you are referring to. If you are talking about intake or transition training, there have been a few that have fallen by the wayside, some under dubious justification.
Ndege pilot
I'm on 777. Contracted to CCL, by my choice having been ripped off unmercifully by IAC Pacific. CCL has by far the greatest number of pilots here, and also handle Alteon insructors in these parts.
Choice of contract co is vey much up to the individual, as each has some pro's and con's. A word of caution though. Once you apply and come here on interview, you are locked (for the next 5 years) into the contractor who arranged it.
You cannot come here by invitation of one, and then jump to another.
4PW's
What you see is what you get. Safety bonus or any other for that matter, is at sole discretion of KAL. Maybe they will pay one, mabe not. Maybe you'll participate in it, mabe not. For planning purposes, it does not exist.
A misconception about travel to base. It is not done by ticket. You are rostered to do it. Must travel, not subload. No offload. No seniority/priority, you are on. No accomodation costs. If you were offloaded, (I've not known that to occur in the last 10+ years), KAL would accomodate you. On a very few occasions I have heard of a lack of business class seats, requiring ecy travel home, (very rare).
Family tickets are a different story, but in my experience usually works pretty well, depending on seasonal loads.
Work on 85 + hours. I think the 744 is doing a bit more than that at the moment, but it varies a bit on a seasonal basis.
M
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Gents,
KAL are about to start hiring FO's via the agencies. $7500 plus and the same general T&C's as the PIC's.
Two questions.
What are your thoughts on how the locals will treat the expat right seater and;
What are the chances of getting an upgrade opportunity should one sign a contract.
respectfully,
Fliion
KAL are about to start hiring FO's via the agencies. $7500 plus and the same general T&C's as the PIC's.
Two questions.
What are your thoughts on how the locals will treat the expat right seater and;
What are the chances of getting an upgrade opportunity should one sign a contract.
respectfully,
Fliion
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Question for anyone.........
I'm an early retired American Airlines 777 driver. Fifty-five and have been out for just shy of 2 years. I am looking to get back into the game for one last look at the world and have sent the appropriate stacks of paperwork to GAP. Has anyone got a bead on if KAL is still looking for 777 drivers and whether or not they are currently and actively seeking 777 Captains? If yes, any idea on numbers needed and time frame for impending interviews?
Thanks in advance.
Torqrol
I'm an early retired American Airlines 777 driver. Fifty-five and have been out for just shy of 2 years. I am looking to get back into the game for one last look at the world and have sent the appropriate stacks of paperwork to GAP. Has anyone got a bead on if KAL is still looking for 777 drivers and whether or not they are currently and actively seeking 777 Captains? If yes, any idea on numbers needed and time frame for impending interviews?
Thanks in advance.
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Hey Torq,
Lot of recruiting going on.
Continuous hiring till 2009, so says CCL, et al.
You might want to poll Maui direct.
He's on the 777 and has the good oil on all things KE.
Good luck.
4PW's
Lot of recruiting going on.
Continuous hiring till 2009, so says CCL, et al.
You might want to poll Maui direct.
He's on the 777 and has the good oil on all things KE.
Good luck.
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Hi all. Been reading this thread with excitement, not often you read a thread that has no or little moaning on this site. So now to my questions...
1)I'm a 737NG captain, but I'm more interested in a 747 F/O job than going to the 737 fleet. Is this crazy? Probably. But is it possible, or are they only taking rated F/Os?
2)I´ve only read the package for 744 drivers, but is it the same for 737s? Can you choose any base no matter fleet?
3)What's the bond like? I know it's a 5 year contract, but surely they can't bond you for that long?
4)Are you only away 17 days? I can't get the maths right,
17 on +9 off + 2 lve + 1 sick doesn't fill a whole month for me, what about the last few days? What's the story with this sick day, are they counting on you pulling a sickie one day a month? What about if you're actually sick for 12 days, will you not get any sick days then?
Enough questions for now... back to yous in the know! (tnx maui!)
Cheers
1)I'm a 737NG captain, but I'm more interested in a 747 F/O job than going to the 737 fleet. Is this crazy? Probably. But is it possible, or are they only taking rated F/Os?
2)I´ve only read the package for 744 drivers, but is it the same for 737s? Can you choose any base no matter fleet?
3)What's the bond like? I know it's a 5 year contract, but surely they can't bond you for that long?
4)Are you only away 17 days? I can't get the maths right,
17 on +9 off + 2 lve + 1 sick doesn't fill a whole month for me, what about the last few days? What's the story with this sick day, are they counting on you pulling a sickie one day a month? What about if you're actually sick for 12 days, will you not get any sick days then?
Enough questions for now... back to yous in the know! (tnx maui!)
Cheers
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Mr Maui.
You are the best source of info on KAL, thank you for your time.
Could you please shed some light on these issues (777 with CCL):
1. How many travel days around the 11 days off (9+2)?
2. Is there a culture of f/o's reporting expat capt's?
3. Can one obtain extra days off for less cash?
4. Is there golf close to ICN hotel, if yes, how much?
5. Looked at pics of hotel gym, is it ok?
6. Are different days off cycles available?
7. What is the failure rate for sim & line training?
8. Are the ppc's realistic or 1970's survival exercises?
Thank you for the help.
You are the best source of info on KAL, thank you for your time.
Could you please shed some light on these issues (777 with CCL):
1. How many travel days around the 11 days off (9+2)?
2. Is there a culture of f/o's reporting expat capt's?
3. Can one obtain extra days off for less cash?
4. Is there golf close to ICN hotel, if yes, how much?
5. Looked at pics of hotel gym, is it ok?
6. Are different days off cycles available?
7. What is the failure rate for sim & line training?
8. Are the ppc's realistic or 1970's survival exercises?
Thank you for the help.
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Going to Korea...
I am a current LTC 737NG capt. Wonder if there is LTC oportunities in Korea. Also living in Thailand (commuting) and working on this contract, is that an option?
How is the roster really like? Do you ONLY fly with Locals?
Tor.
How is the roster really like? Do you ONLY fly with Locals?
Tor.
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gooday mate, I am a qantas guy happy in my employment with a query. Do any of your expats on contract actually live in korea with family and embrace the culture as best they can? I see a lot of posts about different companies with a fly in fly out commute mentality. If I made a move then my girl and I are more interested in living in a community and taking on all of the new experiences that a different culture would bring, most importantly learning a new language. regards
sorry that was supposed to be a pm to maui