Ryanair hires FAA/ US B737 Captains via Brooksfield (merged)

[Turkish777]

If you are Mexican and have gardening skills the USA will generally let you in as it seems they have in fact conquered the landscapping markets...Allegedly the US Goverment turn a blind eye on 200,000 Mexicans immigrants crossing the border evey year to do manual work as its difficult to find locals to fill the positions...Good job the're not all FAA Rated.....

[Boss Raptor]

If in fact the destination of these non EU citizens is in fact Ryanair;

This matter has been raised before on these forums with the non EU Ryanair B737 crews from Yugoslavia on apparent Irish work permits then being long term based at Prestwick (UK)

The situation appears the same and as it appears that non EU crews are becoming 'ordinarily resident' in the UK both in nature of place of work and in case of where in fact taxable the situation should be addressed further...

Should recommend both Dept. Work/Pensions in UK should these non EU crews be seen to be operating 'ordinarily resident' in UK without correct UK work permits and also the Inland Revenue with regard to tax liability...as well as UK CAA

[Formally Known As]

Tamer

I am not aware that any AAI pilots are working without work permits, from their bases.

I am aware however that the Icelandic CAA give out 12 month validations for ICAO/FAA to fly JAA registed A/C. and are renewed yearly. This cannot be right or fair can it? What about the person who has got off their backsides, have spent a great deal of money, time, sweat and tears to get a JAA licence when they could have saved themselves a fortune, by obtaining an FAA licence for example and operate on a validation.

It used to be that a JAA member state would grant a validation so the crewmember could within the 12 months complete the necessary licence conversion.

IMHO there is abuse of this system by the Icelandic CAA and others.

[Stratocaster]

FKA,

don't forget that all that JAA stuff is not binding. It's the lowest common denominator achieved by JAA member states but it is not an EU law in force in every country.

Iceland has the right to deviate from the original rules, add its pinch of salt, tailor them to its needs and then transpose them into Icelandic regulation. And voila, you have Icelandic "JAA-like" regulations and licenses recommended for mutual recognition in JAA countries !

If the Icelandic CAA agrees to deliver a validation to the same pilot for several years in a row, it's both legal and JAR-compliant.

Now that EASA takes over and what they publish is EU law (binding in all EU member states as soon as it's approved by the EU Parliament and published), I'm curious to see what will happen with this validation thing.

[Formally Known As]

Hi Stratocaster

Many thanks for the input. I stand corrected on that.

It just goes to prove that Europe as a whole are week. They cant even get their act together and implement a common agreed aviation language. They never stood up and had the stomach for a fight to defend themselves (British Isles excluded of course) in the middle of last century, so I guess we can't expect too much too soon this century. JAA? What a joke.

[E1-11]

Guys...its only a jolly trust me!!!

[Ignition Override]

If it is that unbalanced, then the Ryanair issue is certainly not fair.

Our US pilots want to avoid any possibility of allowing "cabotage" into the US, foreign pilots flying point to point, all inside the US. Pan Am had a hub years ago in Germany. They never should have been allowed to operate there-it was not fair to German pilots. This country should not use the horrible conflict in the 1940s to justify that, or a hub in the Pac. Rim. Any justification can not hide some hypocrisy on our part. A slightly different situation was flying cargo (DHL?) DC-8s from Brussels to various cities. The legalistic arguement is that the flights were between two countries, or more. Off topic, but one of our FAs is married to a French guy-did the French reject the constitution mostly to embarass Chirac? Never mind. This is naiive, but can a European constitution prevent any of this?

I chatted briefly with a Ryanair flight attendant crew (wearing yellowish scarves) in Milwaukee about a year ago. The Lead Purser admitted that she lived in Dusseldorf, Germany. One of our furloughed pilots worked briefly as 320 FO for Ryanair, from St. Louis to the Caribbean (only turn-arounds). He seemed to indicate that most pilots he came across were furloughed from US airlines.

I don't blame you guys one bit, for being upset if your aviation authorities allow numerous pilots from here to 'whitewash' their licenses and work there. One guy who was on our jumpseat months ago might have stated that some limited number had already been based in Ireland for a while, but I can't remember for sure. They might have had a rent subsidy or such, but it was only a quick chat. There are a limited number of foreign guys/gals working for my company who have been in the US for a while. They are from the Netherlands, Sweden, the Middle East, at least one guy from England. A regional affiliate at one time had quite a number, who were somehow sponsored. Some went to my company.

[FRying]

US mates, please consider this : don't go work for Ryanair as this is the ****tiest airline to work for in the western world. You'll never find T&Cs you tend to find in the US. FOrget about unions, Hello pilots-hatred.

Just Flee or pick airlines such as Easyjet.

[Telstar]

Ignition Override, Eh.. Are you talking about Ryan Air or Ryanair?

One of our furloughed pilots worked briefly as 320 FO for Ryanair

They have never had an A320.

[JJflyer]

Some of you mix Ryanair od Ireland with Ryan International of USA. Nothing to do with each other.

JJ

[Frankfurt_Cowboy]

"They have never had an A320"

I think they might have, certainly had one painted up in their colours, whether they actually operated it or not I dunno.

[Flyrr100]

Speaking as an American FAA Captain. This would never happen here. Airlines in the USA use seniority for all and any upgrades. I remember when I was flying commuters, we hired some 'street captains' to fly the J31. Just because we were growing so fast we needed them yesterday. But they were on the bottom of the seniority list and only flew what their seniority would allow.
We also have pretty strong unions who wouldn't allow anyone to fly as captains unless they were senior enough to hold the position.
I'll give a current example. We are currently taking delivery of a number of EMB170s. They are being flown by nine month captains. But only because very few of the senior guys want to fly them. Our contract wouldn't allow contract captains to fly our aircraft.
Ryanair needs to be unionized. If not you guys will be flying next to anyone the company wants to hire or contract to fly for you.

[MarkD]

FR has had A320 hire-ins - Eirjet had one operating for them earlier this year IIRC. Don't recall any operated by FR.

[Elifant]

Hi all

just for all those who did not know so far Brookfield is basicly owend by Ryanair so they basicly do just cover RYR interests....

Hi all

Well, about upgradings within RYR.... For all those who are promissed a quick caommand process within RYR so to say within six month etc. Do not beleve it it just will not happen and basicly is just a trick to get experianced F/O. I know just one case of about 40 guys where this promise was kept!!!!!

[Ignition Override]

Telstar, it might have been Ryan Air. Believe a few of their planes had a small German flag by an aft exit. Pardon the mix-up. Did not know there were two with the same name.

[Leo Hairy-Camel]

Ah, the ALPA comedy hour begins again.

This would never happen here. Airlines in the USA use seniority

And finally here it is, the slobbering two headed behemoth who has single handedly brought the airline industry of the United States to its very knees, and yet you have the bare faced effrontery to say that yours is an example we here in Europe should emulate? I don't know whether to laugh out loud or reach for a sickbag.

We also have pretty strong unions who wouldn't allow anyone to fly as captains unless they were senior enough to hold the position.

We here in Europe prefer that inconvenient old-fashioned notion of experience and suitability. Seniority is a hackneyed, outdated hangover of the industrial revolution and should be done away with. It creates dead wood, stiffles mobility of labour, and at its worst excesses, so ably demonstrated at present in the land of the free and the home of the brave, brings a once proud and profitable industry to the verge of anhilatiion. Take a look at your own pityable examples, my American friend. Delta suffocating under a mountain of debt and continuing to lose money with wild abandon. Once proud UA trying desperately to off load their underfunded pension liabilities, unsuccessfully thank heavens because it would be the shot heard around the world and the trigger for, in my view, a global recession. Don't take my word for it, though, have a look here and you can see for your self what the likes of your diabolical scope clauses and clinging like some demented octopus to your ludicrous seniority systems has resulted in. You must be so very proud of yourselves.

Ryanair needs to be unionized.

Horse****, pilgrim. Ryanair needs to be unionised only if we aspire to the kind of union driven appocalypse currently being experienced across the pond. Our industry here in Europe is thriving, and creating jobs for hundreds in a free and flourishing market, rather than the sort of indescribable protectionist bunkum that goes on in the US and its resultant (feeble, it transpires) attempt at preserving the fur-lined conditions simply unable to be supported where businesses are profit driven. Remember profit Flyrr100? What a distant and ethereal memory that ole thayng must seem to you. The company I fly for is raking in profit, and I as a captain took home €10700 last month, or US$12,877.45 based on this evening's telegraphic transfer rate. Do you know any of your furloughed colleagues happy to fly a brand new, well maintained Boeing with stable roster and your own bed every night? I certainly do.

To those of us enjoying the European way, consider this. CFO's the world over were clutching their pearls when oil was above 50 bucks a barrel. They are apoplectic, I can assure you, with it above 60, and likely to remain there for a while. If the good people at Goldman Sacks are right, and oil does peak at US$126 a barrel before it stabilizes God knows where, what effect do you think that will have on us? One thing is sure above all else, unions are not the answer. Lets all leave the angels of airline death well alone, shall we. They've done more than enough damage already.

[the grim repa]

thats and maybe 10,700 euros before tax e.t.c or do contractors pay tax.
10,700 minus health insurance,loss of licence cover,pay for your own uniform,pay for your medical,do medical on your day off,pay for your licence renewal,pay for all your meals,pay for your water,pay for your drinks,pay for your accomodation at all times pay for your transport,pay for your simulator sessions,pay to apply,pay to do interview/sim. assessment for selection.pay for your flights to and fro the states,pay homage to the crew controllers and management.pay for overnight expenses and claim back in three months,don't get paid for working into day off,get no day off in lieu for working into day off,be promised 5 on 5 off and then be put on 5 on 3 off,be forced to become a ferry pilot,be forced to become a line trainer,pay for telephone calls to ops if you have any problems.
all that for the priviledge of becoming a scab!not a bad deal really,i suppose leo.
if i have forgotten anything please forgive me.the list goes on and on!

[JJflyer]

Leo Hairy-Camel

Sir

That was about the best post I have seen on this forum for a very very long time.

JJ

[Flyrr100]

Leo Hairy-Camel
I didn't say we have the best system in the world. I've always known that the British system is, and always will be the best. Just check your attitude to see that!
Just the thought of having undertrained, rash, blunt, idiot American pilots flying in your god blessed airspace must be the comming of the end!

The US system uses seniority. It's not perfect. Because of this we have many checks along the way. My airline has been operating for over thirty years without an incident or an accident. We're also making money. I guess we must be doing something right.

As for unions? I hate them. But we are better off with them. Our management constantly tries to find loopholes and ways around the contract. But I get 18 days off a month and get paid a good wage because of it.

You fly in your system and I'll trudge along in mine. I think I can agree we disagree. Can you?

[vfenext]

Gentlemen gentlemen, take it easy on Leo Hairy Nuts. He is a well known pro FR man and will defend anything they do just because they do it. Pay no attention to him and he will just go away and play at being a pilot. Just don't fly with FR cause he is the kind of accident they have waiting to happen.