Biggin Hill Airshow - or not -28th June 2009
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Biggin Hill Airshow - or not -28th June 2009
3 1/2 hours after leaving home (left at 09:30 to be there in good time), close to saying forget it and come home, I arrived at Biggin Hill Airshow today. Had pre-paid taickets with 'A' Car Park Pass. Never saw a sign for 'A' Car Park and was told 'look just park there mate'. #3 Son had to buy a ticket. Hundreds of people coming in at this particular gate - 3 people selling tickets- 1 with a Credit Card Machine. Absolute mayhem!
Made our way to the display line - absolutely chock a block. Nowhere to stand let alone sit.
Then was told that the gates had shut - probably leaving a loy of very hacked off people outside.
Then it got even better, we already knew that the B17 was u/s, but we were then informed so was the Lacaster and surprise surprise, the Vulcan. Watch the mini migration home when some folks heard that the Vulcan was a no show. And yes, I do know that aerplanes go u/s.
Was there a positive at all today? Yes, one. The Virgin B747 in formation with the Arrows, that was it. Well done to the folk involved with that.
Over 30 years of airshows, been to Biggin many times before. By far the worst air show I have ever been to and probably won't bother with Biggin again, ever!
Annoyed? Too damned right I am!
Made our way to the display line - absolutely chock a block. Nowhere to stand let alone sit.
Then was told that the gates had shut - probably leaving a loy of very hacked off people outside.
Then it got even better, we already knew that the B17 was u/s, but we were then informed so was the Lacaster and surprise surprise, the Vulcan. Watch the mini migration home when some folks heard that the Vulcan was a no show. And yes, I do know that aerplanes go u/s.
Was there a positive at all today? Yes, one. The Virgin B747 in formation with the Arrows, that was it. Well done to the folk involved with that.
Over 30 years of airshows, been to Biggin many times before. By far the worst air show I have ever been to and probably won't bother with Biggin again, ever!
Annoyed? Too damned right I am!
I also went to Biggin Hill today to see the Vulcan. I checked the official website, but I did not really want to pay £21 for each adult, as there were no concessions for OAPs. An enterprising local farmer was only charging £6 per car for a field with a good view of the display, so I parked there instead.
No Vulcan to be seen on Sunday, and LBC 97.3 and 1152 did not seem to mention it, although they were supposed to be the official air display radio channel according to local signs.
Oh well, I still hope to see the Vulcan in the air before the end of the year.
Keith.
No Vulcan to be seen on Sunday, and LBC 97.3 and 1152 did not seem to mention it, although they were supposed to be the official air display radio channel according to local signs.
Oh well, I still hope to see the Vulcan in the air before the end of the year.
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I agree there was a major lack of organisation and leadership regarding the parking. I had also pre-booked tickets and had an "A" parking badge, which served no purpose. Arriving to within 3 miles of the airfield by 11:15, to then not get to the display viewing area until 12:45 is not acceptable. The shambles trying to get out was worse and I found the experience offensive! To have that many people & cars, and have absolutely no system to gradually filter traffic out section by section was just the poorest piece of planning I have seen for a long time, not just at airshows. It showed a 'don't care' attitude from the event organisers of the day for the well being of a lot of paying people, including many, very warm, elderly and young people.
After nearly 2 hours of standing around our car, I approached a Police man & woman to indicate that things were ridiculous. They almost shrugged their shoulders and claimed a second gate was not being allowed to be opened by the airport, and that they and the organisers were "trying to convince the airport authorities to open the gate; other than this there was nothing else they could do."
Adding to our frustration, the event staff kept telling us all gates were open but because all of the local roads were blocked and nobody could reach the M25, there was nothing they could do...
Well guess what, we checked the traffic reports both online, on the mobile, and via the radio. No signs of trouble on the trunk roads to the motorway or back towards London, and once we eventually battled our way through the bottle neck(or at least waited our turn!! UNLIKE SOME!) all the roads were fine once clear of 1 mile from the airfield.
Once inside I had a great day, and well done to all those involved in the positive aspects of the day. But really, next time, SORT THE PARKING OUT!
I suspect a lot of B.Hill 1st timers who experienced the parking problems today will not hurry back next year. Sadly.
After nearly 2 hours of standing around our car, I approached a Police man & woman to indicate that things were ridiculous. They almost shrugged their shoulders and claimed a second gate was not being allowed to be opened by the airport, and that they and the organisers were "trying to convince the airport authorities to open the gate; other than this there was nothing else they could do."
Adding to our frustration, the event staff kept telling us all gates were open but because all of the local roads were blocked and nobody could reach the M25, there was nothing they could do...
Well guess what, we checked the traffic reports both online, on the mobile, and via the radio. No signs of trouble on the trunk roads to the motorway or back towards London, and once we eventually battled our way through the bottle neck(or at least waited our turn!! UNLIKE SOME!) all the roads were fine once clear of 1 mile from the airfield.
Once inside I had a great day, and well done to all those involved in the positive aspects of the day. But really, next time, SORT THE PARKING OUT!
I suspect a lot of B.Hill 1st timers who experienced the parking problems today will not hurry back next year. Sadly.
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We received a report that the majority of the early traffic chaos was caused by a copper being knocked off his bike in the village and the main road being closed/heavily restricted by the constabulary.
Well thats not really the organisers fault, twas my first airshow weekend and I thought it was brilliant.
Then it got even better, we already knew that the B17 was u/s, but we were then informed so was the Lacaster and surprise surprise, the Vulcan. Watch the mini migration home when some folks heard that the Vulcan was a no show. And yes, I do know that aerplanes go u/s.
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Slept in and left the house at 11am, on public transport....
On the bus from East Croydon hit the traffic and the driver wouldn't let us off a stationary bus at a bus stop on a UK road. "I'm not insured mate". Numerous people saw others getting off the bus in front and it was clearly quicker on foot, so two Aussie guys beat me to the lie I was preparing and claimed to be feeling sick and the doors opened, cue a mass exit.
( I was looking at the emergency exit but there were a LOT of Police around and I am sure I would have been charged with escaping from a sweltering stationary bus in accordance with blah blah.... )
Walked a good 45 minutes just in time to see the Virgin / Red Arrows, poor photos but got in OK and had a good day out. The organisation looked a bit iffy though I agree. People were being turned away and I don't know if my bus made it in.
On the bus from East Croydon hit the traffic and the driver wouldn't let us off a stationary bus at a bus stop on a UK road. "I'm not insured mate". Numerous people saw others getting off the bus in front and it was clearly quicker on foot, so two Aussie guys beat me to the lie I was preparing and claimed to be feeling sick and the doors opened, cue a mass exit.
( I was looking at the emergency exit but there were a LOT of Police around and I am sure I would have been charged with escaping from a sweltering stationary bus in accordance with blah blah.... )
Walked a good 45 minutes just in time to see the Virgin / Red Arrows, poor photos but got in OK and had a good day out. The organisation looked a bit iffy though I agree. People were being turned away and I don't know if my bus made it in.
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It all seemed to work OK on Saturday coming in from Croydon by car via Keston and Downe, where a moving queue started in the village; we got in pretty quickly at about 10:45 and out again with no trouble at all, although we left a bit early at about 4:15pm.
Although crowded, there was room to sit on the grass - it sounds as though there were far more people on Sunday. There seemed to be far too much hospitality stretched along the display line at the southern end but I guess that helps to defray the costs and seems to be a fact of almost every event these days.
I always theorize that families are more likely to go to airshows on Sunday (Saturday = shopping) and go on Saturdays myself. Wonder if the theory is a fact?
Sorry you guys didn't have a good day.
Although crowded, there was room to sit on the grass - it sounds as though there were far more people on Sunday. There seemed to be far too much hospitality stretched along the display line at the southern end but I guess that helps to defray the costs and seems to be a fact of almost every event these days.
I always theorize that families are more likely to go to airshows on Sunday (Saturday = shopping) and go on Saturdays myself. Wonder if the theory is a fact?
Sorry you guys didn't have a good day.
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Treadigraph... fair point re: Sundays potentially being busier at these kind of events. I for one, if visiting B.Hill again, will go on the Sat if it remains a 2 day event.
The issue here is event management.
If the organisers sell a quoter of; for arguments sake 100k pre-sold tickets for a 2 day event (where by the pre-booked ticket holders can arrive on any of the 2 days of their choice), and above these ticket holder numbers they expect people to arrive ticketless at the gate willing to pay on either day due to good weather, then these implications require some kind of understanding and pro-active behaviour from those in 'control.'
If you do not monitor the number of pre-booked tickets used on the 1st day, then how do you know how many people with pre-booked tickets, with parking pass A tickets will arrive on day 2? If a pre-booked ticket holder arrived today on day 2 , at 2pm, he/she will have probably been refused entry due to the venue being full... This is wrong.
I can see a lot of business being lost by the way this event was managed. Possibly 3rd party agencies were employed, but something needs to be reviewed before B.H.2010 that's for sure.
The issue here is event management.
If the organisers sell a quoter of; for arguments sake 100k pre-sold tickets for a 2 day event (where by the pre-booked ticket holders can arrive on any of the 2 days of their choice), and above these ticket holder numbers they expect people to arrive ticketless at the gate willing to pay on either day due to good weather, then these implications require some kind of understanding and pro-active behaviour from those in 'control.'
If you do not monitor the number of pre-booked tickets used on the 1st day, then how do you know how many people with pre-booked tickets, with parking pass A tickets will arrive on day 2? If a pre-booked ticket holder arrived today on day 2 , at 2pm, he/she will have probably been refused entry due to the venue being full... This is wrong.
I can see a lot of business being lost by the way this event was managed. Possibly 3rd party agencies were employed, but something needs to be reviewed before B.H.2010 that's for sure.
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I went yesterday (Sunday) also, the traffic was dire as it always is at the biggin hill for the air show. I arrived around the same time as you one9iner so had to park outside the main carparks to the right and walk in across the whole carpark to get to the display area. I was walking in as the apache and lynx were doing their displays.
On the whole the show was not bad, cant really complain about the planes going tech as thats just the nature of the beasts - a bit disappointing not to see the vulcan tho.
Last time prior that I went was three years ago and there was a much better display, however alot of what was missing is explained by the fact that our military resources are stretched with Iraq and Afgahnistan. There was still alot to see and on the whole it was quite a good show.
I just wish they could do something about the traffic but I cant see what they really can do - perhaps have it pre-pay only so there are no queues at the gate.
On the whole the show was not bad, cant really complain about the planes going tech as thats just the nature of the beasts - a bit disappointing not to see the vulcan tho.
Last time prior that I went was three years ago and there was a much better display, however alot of what was missing is explained by the fact that our military resources are stretched with Iraq and Afgahnistan. There was still alot to see and on the whole it was quite a good show.
I just wish they could do something about the traffic but I cant see what they really can do - perhaps have it pre-pay only so there are no queues at the gate.
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Jofm5. I agree, display wise, weather wise etc...it was a good day, and nobody can direct any blame for aircraft going tech. I also appreciate your point regarding military resources being slightly stretched comparable to previous years.
Traffic wise, all of the authorities clearly need to sit down together, and work out a plan, and stick to it. Having no system in the car park, and the odd bobby standing on a few street corners outside is not a workable solution and is a waste of everyones time.
If I return next year I'm just going to take a bbq incase there is the same mess again, and relax until the traffic has gone!!
The most laughable moment during our attempts to leave, was over hearing a lot of military guys moaning that they had to get back to base for various reasons. After speaking to one guy in the Blue's and Royals, he said he was organising all of his guys with cars to line up and they were going to force their way through in a direction that civilian cars were not yet allowed. They did just that, civilian cars followed, military guys stopped them... and it worked..
This I found unbelievable. The lack of any real system was that bad, our own military were trapped.
Anyway. Rant over. Letter of complaint in the post
Traffic wise, all of the authorities clearly need to sit down together, and work out a plan, and stick to it. Having no system in the car park, and the odd bobby standing on a few street corners outside is not a workable solution and is a waste of everyones time.
If I return next year I'm just going to take a bbq incase there is the same mess again, and relax until the traffic has gone!!
The most laughable moment during our attempts to leave, was over hearing a lot of military guys moaning that they had to get back to base for various reasons. After speaking to one guy in the Blue's and Royals, he said he was organising all of his guys with cars to line up and they were going to force their way through in a direction that civilian cars were not yet allowed. They did just that, civilian cars followed, military guys stopped them... and it worked..
This I found unbelievable. The lack of any real system was that bad, our own military were trapped.
Anyway. Rant over. Letter of complaint in the post
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Heh, yesterday I got stuck in the jam on the A224 around 12, turned round and went to the equally-bad A25, gave that up sharpish... and then found a little route in that left me in a 100yd tailback in the village and voila, I was in. Scarpered before the end of the Red Arrows and got away lightly.
Not too many highlights this time, not enough really loud mil jets tbh lol. Still love the Hunter though
Not too many highlights this time, not enough really loud mil jets tbh lol. Still love the Hunter though
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I like Biggin as an airfield (my home base as a PPL for while) and the airshow is usually very good but the road traffic situation is unacceptable.
Strangely it was the traffic that contrived to mercifully spare me the Air Cobra accident a couple of years ago as my nettled partner and I, having got into the show after a hot 3 hour wait in the car, contrived to have a huge row and we immediately left 10 minutes before the tragedy.
I am happy to say I am still with said partner but have not gone back to Biggin for airshows.
Strangely it was the traffic that contrived to mercifully spare me the Air Cobra accident a couple of years ago as my nettled partner and I, having got into the show after a hot 3 hour wait in the car, contrived to have a huge row and we immediately left 10 minutes before the tragedy.
I am happy to say I am still with said partner but have not gone back to Biggin for airshows.
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Used the in-car GPS to find a route around some tiny little backroads that brought us into the back gate of Biggin and we had hospitality tickets so missed the worst of the parking mayhem.
The airshow itself was very good, but was surprised at how many aircraft went tech. The obvious highlight was the Red Arrows and Virgin -400 (Red 11??) flypast. The less obvious highlight for me was meeting F/L Michelle Goodman DFC - a proper genuine heroine and a smashing person to talk to. That was one the high points of the day (possibly my life!)
If no one beats me to it, I'll try and put a couple of photos up later on today.
The airshow itself was very good, but was surprised at how many aircraft went tech. The obvious highlight was the Red Arrows and Virgin -400 (Red 11??) flypast. The less obvious highlight for me was meeting F/L Michelle Goodman DFC - a proper genuine heroine and a smashing person to talk to. That was one the high points of the day (possibly my life!)
If no one beats me to it, I'll try and put a couple of photos up later on today.
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As a local I remember the uproar in the local paper last year about the appalling traffic arrangements and jams getting in and out, and an undertaking from the organisers (Air Displays International - remember it's not the airfield that organises the show) that the same mistakes would not be repeated. Sounds like the lessons were not learned.
Having said that, I'm quite surprised to hear people turning up at midday or even 2pm. It's an all day event why not be there all day?
Having said that, I'm quite surprised to hear people turning up at midday or even 2pm. It's an all day event why not be there all day?
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After nearly 2 hours of standing around our car, I approached a Police man & woman to indicate that things were ridiculous. They almost shrugged their shoulders and claimed a second gate was not being allowed to be opened by the airport, and that they and the organisers were "trying to convince the airport authorities to open the gate; other than this there was nothing else they could do."
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Having said that, I'm quite surprised to hear people turning up at midday or even 2pm. It's an all day event why not be there all day?
Having said that, I'm quite surprised to hear people turning up at midday or even 2pm. It's an all day event why not be there all day?
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Thats the whole point silverease, both myself and one9iner were within 5 miles of the aerodrome around 11am - the first of the displays was scheduled for 11:45
It's an all day show. Get there by 9am, get parked, you have two hours to look at the static displays, trade stands, stalls etc. before the flying display starts.
Timing your arrival to get you there with enough time to park up get settled and find a spot is asking for trouble. Which it sounds like you got.
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Somewhat off-topic, but do forgive me. I remember going to the Biggin Hill Airshow as a nineteen year-old in 1965. The highlight then was the arrival of the Lancaster rescued from the Far East.
It took ages to get back to London on the Sunday evening after the show, because the organisers had not arranged enough buses to ferry us back to civilisation, in the days when many more people went by public transport.
Best way to get to a UK airshow? Undoubtedly was by Air Atlantique Dak, sadly now a thing of the past due to Eurotape.
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It took ages to get back to London on the Sunday evening after the show, because the organisers had not arranged enough buses to ferry us back to civilisation, in the days when many more people went by public transport.
Best way to get to a UK airshow? Undoubtedly was by Air Atlantique Dak, sadly now a thing of the past due to Eurotape.
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Getting there three hours before the first display is a bit extreme, There is not enough to look at to last the near three hours for the first display - unless you want to go on the funfair.
It is not unreasonable to think that aiming to arrive 45 minutes before displays commencing would be enough - to park up and take a leisurely stroll round.
But thats neither here nor there - the real point is the traffic problem and lack of redress from the situation last year. Taking 1hr45 to do five miles is poor by anbodys standards.
It is not unreasonable to think that aiming to arrive 45 minutes before displays commencing would be enough - to park up and take a leisurely stroll round.
But thats neither here nor there - the real point is the traffic problem and lack of redress from the situation last year. Taking 1hr45 to do five miles is poor by anbodys standards.
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Silverelise (nice car BTW),
Completely agree with getting there early. I got to the back of the queue about 09:00, coming down a series of narrow country roads and through the village of Downe and was inside and parked up by 09:50-10:00 ish.
Wandered around the stalls and the extremely disappointing static display, and all the way down to where the biz jets were parked by the end of 29, and back again, then found a spot right behind the grandstand (by the Merlin) and sat there and watched the display for the rest of the day. It was close to the toilets and the food stands and as we were a little way back from the crowd line, it wasn't too crowded either and meant one could lie back and had the perfect viewing angle to watch the aerial antics.
We hung around for a bit at the end, and left after the Sea Vixen had done it's mini-display when it departed. Walking back to the car, I thought it was going to be a nightmare getting out looking at the queue that was there, so I took my time, set my self up for the return journey and even though I was parked almost by the exit, prepared to go and join the queue getting out. At that point, 2 mini busses full of Royal Marines belted over the grass where I was parked, through a gap in the hedge at the bottom of the field and round the corner, so I followed them. It turned out that there were several lanes at the entrance, but only 1 was open for cars leaving (all had been open to let people in), however some kind person had taken out 2 of the barriers leaving a nice car sized space to get out just to the side of that, so I was out in just over a minute !!.
It was an ok day out, and the cost compared to a major sporting event for a whole days entertainment was reasonable. The flying display was not the best, with long gaps between displays - not to mention the unfortunate tech a/c that were the high lights of the show. The static display was shocking though. Nothing like the shows I've been to in the past at Finningley/Mildenhall/Fairford etc. Not even 1 USAF a/c there on the ground, and the only one that did come just did 2 low flypasts.
I'd been put off by the price of RIAT the last few years (I normally only go to one big show per year), however in future I will be giving Biggin Hill a miss and spending the extra few ££'s to go to RIAT as it is just so much better in both the flying and static displays.
Completely agree with getting there early. I got to the back of the queue about 09:00, coming down a series of narrow country roads and through the village of Downe and was inside and parked up by 09:50-10:00 ish.
Wandered around the stalls and the extremely disappointing static display, and all the way down to where the biz jets were parked by the end of 29, and back again, then found a spot right behind the grandstand (by the Merlin) and sat there and watched the display for the rest of the day. It was close to the toilets and the food stands and as we were a little way back from the crowd line, it wasn't too crowded either and meant one could lie back and had the perfect viewing angle to watch the aerial antics.
We hung around for a bit at the end, and left after the Sea Vixen had done it's mini-display when it departed. Walking back to the car, I thought it was going to be a nightmare getting out looking at the queue that was there, so I took my time, set my self up for the return journey and even though I was parked almost by the exit, prepared to go and join the queue getting out. At that point, 2 mini busses full of Royal Marines belted over the grass where I was parked, through a gap in the hedge at the bottom of the field and round the corner, so I followed them. It turned out that there were several lanes at the entrance, but only 1 was open for cars leaving (all had been open to let people in), however some kind person had taken out 2 of the barriers leaving a nice car sized space to get out just to the side of that, so I was out in just over a minute !!.
It was an ok day out, and the cost compared to a major sporting event for a whole days entertainment was reasonable. The flying display was not the best, with long gaps between displays - not to mention the unfortunate tech a/c that were the high lights of the show. The static display was shocking though. Nothing like the shows I've been to in the past at Finningley/Mildenhall/Fairford etc. Not even 1 USAF a/c there on the ground, and the only one that did come just did 2 low flypasts.
I'd been put off by the price of RIAT the last few years (I normally only go to one big show per year), however in future I will be giving Biggin Hill a miss and spending the extra few ££'s to go to RIAT as it is just so much better in both the flying and static displays.