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Old 27th Sep 2007, 07:23   #1 (permalink)
 
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The L-1011 today

I'm a huge fan of the L-1011.
Is there any way of knowing where the portugese + globe jet aircraft are flying to and/or who they have contracts with at the moment?
Also any other L-1011 that is flying around (sky gate, air charter express, etc..) is interesting ofcaurse.
Im guessing they will start to have a lot of work now with the HAJJ season, would love to catch one in Europe somewhere!!!

Any info is greatly appreciated!
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Old 28th Sep 2007, 00:59   #2 (permalink)
 
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Sadly very rare these days - anywhere!

CS TEB the Euro Atlantic is due to/ Or has being retired in Lisbon?

ATA have 1 left, I think on Trooping flights into Hungary?

There are a handful 'floating' around, But the last time I saw an L1011 was in 2005 - CS TEB @ MAN.

Z Air had a nice ex - Caledonian L1011 in the old Cal Colours a few years ago.

I should think you could see an L1011 at Ostend more than likely?

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Old 28th Sep 2007, 01:07   #3 (permalink)
 
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Thumbs up L1011's

Suggest you take a peek in the Freight Dogs forum.

Look at new freight operator in Cyprus!

Lots of L1011 activity, comments, vids & pictures from a lot of L1011 experts & the like!
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Old 28th Sep 2007, 03:09   #4 (permalink)
 
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Sadly very rare these days - anywhere!
Rare, are they? Come visit us in about 6 weeks as this place becomes the L1011 mecca of the world

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Old 28th Sep 2007, 08:39   #5 (permalink)
 
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There is still a certain rural location to the west of Oxford, UK where the L1011 can be seen sitting on the ground and sometimes flying, and will be for quite a few years yet

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Old 28th Sep 2007, 08:53   #6 (permalink)
 
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'1011 mekka of the world', and where would that be?
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Old 28th Sep 2007, 09:02   #7 (permalink)
 
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Well the last Tristar in Ostend was a really sad story, it basically flew from the desert to Ostend, and then back a few years later (sometimes on 1 engine ). Since then only 1 L-1011 came to Ostend, EX-044. I'm hoping to see it again this Hajj season.
Btw, can anywone tell me when the Hajj season starts and ends? And wht is the closest airport to Mekka/Medina?

And referring to my original post, I know what aircraft are operational as there are good sites for that like aerotransport.org. There are quite a few Tristars in service actually, not counting the UK AF, and the number is growing.
What I really want to know is their flying activities, contracts with whom, the period of the lease, the destinations etc... I was hoping to find some kind of international 1011 spotters group.
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Old 28th Sep 2007, 11:04   #8 (permalink)
 
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Guess you just worked it out...

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And wht is the closest airport to Mekka/Medina?
Jeddah or Madinah.

BTW, plane spotting isnt allowed, dont try it as you could find yourself in jail or shot!

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Old 28th Sep 2007, 13:16   #9 (permalink)
 
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Lol thx for the tip but I wasn't planning on spotting over there but on locations in Europe where they come to pick up the muslim's
And ofcaurse on regular locations like this summer with OD-MIR @ EPWA. I'dd like to know stuff like that before it happens
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Old 28th Sep 2007, 22:00   #10 (permalink)
 
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Best place to look in Europe is Lisbon, a few based there. Or Poland where Globejet from Jordan do regular flights.
Hope it helps
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Old 28th Sep 2007, 22:27   #11 (permalink)
 
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ATA have 1 left, I think on Trooping flights into Hungary?
And beyond. Both ways.
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Old 28th Sep 2007, 23:51   #12 (permalink)
 
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Mutt Is ME now a 'Tristar' Recycling plant??
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Old 29th Sep 2007, 05:38   #13 (permalink)
 
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Every year around this time you will hear of new start-up airlines obtaining the cheapest heaps of junk available, they will get these into flying condition and then chase Hajj contracts. Then the fun begins, if the aircraft keeps flying they may make enough money to survive the 3 month period and pay their crews, if not, then the crews will get dumped somewhere.

History repeats itself every year, L1011's, B747 Classics, DC10s and some Russian aircraft are usually used.

So yep, i would say that the ME is the L1011 recycling plant

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Old 29th Sep 2007, 11:07   #14 (permalink)
 
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What I really want to know is their flying activities, contracts with whom, the period of the lease, the destinations etc... I was hoping to find some kind of international 1011 spotters group.
As far as I can work out currently active and flying
are TT-DWE c/n 1093 TT-DAE c/n 1101 from Tchad to wherever they can find loads.
9G-BSM c/n 1221 possibly for this years Hadj flights is in passenger configuration.
LUZAIR CS-TMX c/n 1206 CS-TMP c/n 1248 CS-TEB c/n 1240 all operational from Lisbon but also sub chartering for European Holiday Flight companies (Flyjet and Monarch recently) Plus CS-TMR was stored Amsterdam for 3 years is now on deep maintenance at Victorville for return to service c/n 1241.
GLOBEJET OD-MIR c/n 1246 OD-JOE c/n 1243 and OD-ZEE c/n 1239. Doing a lot of flights Gerona and Faro from Warsaw plus OD-HEO c/n 1103 stored.
LINEJET new operator just ferried N194AT c/n 1230 from Miami to Amman via Lisbon for Hadj operations.
ATA Airlines are still flying at least one of theirs N162AT c/n 1220 it flew as AMTRAN8900 across the pond on a reach flight Gander-Budapest
Plus the grandest news of all PH-RST is reserved for c/n 1189 for World International Airways. Further news on this would be much appreciated.
Have a look on here
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OldJets/?yguid=106321067
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=283504
http://www.l1011.de/
Hope it helps
Be lucky
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Old 29th Sep 2007, 12:36   #15 (permalink)
 
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Yes that helps! That's the spirit hehe

Few remarks though.
I understand ATA still flies 161 through 164AT (-500 variants).
Are the globejet chrters in Poland still going on?
Can someone give me the reach flights' routings? I know they pass through Budapest but where do they come from and go to?
What location is 'ME'? Manchester?
You said N194AT is from Linejet? Isn't it Bourtequilah Air?
I read the thread on the Cyprus outfit thing trying to get more on PH-RST, but I still can't make up if they are going to go through with it. Where will it fly from (AMS?) and for what, only Hadj or also charters like Luzair?

Thx for replies!
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Old 29th Sep 2007, 13:32   #16 (permalink)
 
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What location is 'ME'? Manchester?
No I think he means Middle East. Manchester is MAN or EGCC.
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You said N194AT is from Linejet? Isn't it Bourtequilah Air?
As I understand it ( and I may be wrong) Bourtequilah Air is the Cargo airline planning to start up in Cyprus.
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I know they pass through Budapest but where do they come from and go to?
They originate in the USA after Budapest they go to Afghanistan They can come from anywhere in America The last one Amtran 8900 started in Biloxi - Gander- Budapest but the start point can vary. I dont think the Americans are too keen on publishing timetables for these flights.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AMT8900
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trying to get more on PH-RST, but I still can't make up if they are going to go through with it. Where will it fly from (AMS?) and for what, only Hadj or also charters like Luzair?
I haven't got a clue. It is only a reservation at the moment and to the best of my knowledge they have not publicised their plans yet. The only World International Airways I can find on the net is a german airline sim http://fokker.airlinesim.4players.de...erprise?id=139
So we will have to be patient on this one.


You can try putting Lisbon (LIS/LPPT ) or Warsaw (WAW/EPWA )in here -: http://www.flightstats.com/go/Home/home.do

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Jeddah or Madinah.
Try JED or MED or where ever else you want to look at in there too.
For other airport codes try here -:
http://www.airlinecodes.co.uk/aptcodesearch.asp
Hope it helps
Be lucky
David

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Old 1st Oct 2007, 08:29   #17 (permalink)
 
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PH-RST

Av Gas - your info is fairly up to date. PH-RST is under Interstate`s AOC. The acft should be delivered fairly soon. I understand 2 more will join but I have no idea where from but assume from Amman. Rumour also an additional L1011 Freighter may join next year. The passenger L1011 are planned for a route USA - Europe - India v.v

Thats all I know.
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Old 1st Oct 2007, 09:09   #18 (permalink)
 
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Av Gas - your info is fairly up to date.
Why thank you kind sir,
It would be good to know which airframes are currently at Amman or Ras al Khaymah. I understand plans are still in hand to repair c/n 1138 N306GB at Miami. That is a full STC freighter conversion and therefore quite a valuable airframe. After N194ATs escape I think the plan is to fly a suitable non F frame down from the desert to supply parts.
It would be good to know which desert aircraft are potentially airworthy and which are not.
Be lucky
David

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Old 1st Oct 2007, 09:19   #19 (permalink)
 
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PH-RST is under Interstate`s AOC. The acft should be delivered fairly soon.
Do you have a web site for Interstate. I've tried Google without obvious sucess.
http://www.eucomairlines.de/prodlist/n753da_1.jpg
From http://www.l1011.de/
Getting nearer.
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Old 1st Oct 2007, 09:26   #20 (permalink)
 
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Interstate

Try www.interstateairlines.com its all there. Also 10 mins after entering the 1st thread......I opened Flight International issue 2nd-8th Oct....page 65 with the entire page taken by Interstate Looking for cockpit / engineers / cabin crew for the L1011 and also ATR......ATR they have operated for sometime.

The Freighter I understand is some way off.
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