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Old 28th Jul 2015, 22:03
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Angel Atrans Aviation

Hello Aviators, i would like to know about Atrans Aviation. They are providing 500hrs line training and 1yr job contract with vietair. How much truth is behind this thing. Anyone hear has gone through Atrans Aviation?
Please tell me as soon as possible about Atrans Aviation. I would like to know the truth.
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Old 29th Jul 2015, 02:32
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There's nothing good about a P2F scheme.
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Why do you not apply where you are?

Air Asia, Air India and Indigo are all looking for A320 pilots with no experience.

I assume you do have a DGCA license if yes then do not ruin the industry apply there say no to P2F.
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It's a scam PM me for details
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Yes unfortunately it does cost money to join, not a big surprise there.
I have joined Vietjet and did not had any problems with them so far. Furthermore I know 10-15 other cadets who went same way as me.
And no, it is not a scam as pfvspnf claims.
If anyone have any questions, don't hesitate to ask me.
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Mmm maybe you'll pay them to be a captain ? How much will that cost ?
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I would, however it is a bit too early now Besides, it cost much less than becoming a cadet
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Yup it's people like you that should be nowhere near that big shiny jet you dream about, you earn those four bars! You don't pay for it
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Originally Posted by pfvspnf
Yup it's people like you that should be nowhere near that big shiny jet you dream about, you earn those four bars! You don't pay for it
Yup, same thing you can say about getting a pilot education, it also costs money.

To me it seems that you are very angry at the world, cannot get a job (or earn it as you write), nor you have money to get into a P2F program.

Sorry bro, but things change. Flight tickets get cheaper and cheaper and who do you think are paying for it?
To be flying in line, you need special instructors to fly with you, teach you, etc. Consider it as an FI - they need salary, right? Same goes for the upgrade to captain.
You see where I am going with it?

I can’t say that I am happy to pay further for my education and it cost so much, however I believe it’s still worth it. And I doubt it’s going to change in the future.

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I am sorry you envy me, that I am near a shiny jet Pease a
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Yup, same thing you can say about getting a pilot education, it also costs money.
Do you actually know the difference between education and job?
Looks like you don't.

To me it seems that you are very angry at the world, cannot get a job (or earn it as you write), nor you have money to get into a P2F program.

Sorry bro, but things change. Flight tickets get cheaper and cheaper and who do you think are paying for it?
To be flying in line, you need special instructors to fly with you, teach you, etc. Consider it as an FI - they need salary, right? Same goes for the upgrade to captain.
You see where I am going with it?

I can’t say that I am happy to pay further for my education and it cost so much, however I believe it’s still worth it. And I doubt it’s going to change in the future.

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I am sorry you envy me, that I am near a shiny jet Pease a
Envious of a sucker willing to subsidize other ppl's tickets?
Sure, if that makes you feel better.....
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Originally Posted by DirtyProp
Do you actually know the difference between education and job?
Looks like you don't.


Envious of a sucker willing to subsidize other ppl's tickets?
Sure, if that makes you feel better.....
Well, we all make our own choices, and I don't mind you calling me a sucker

Regarding education, in my opinion Line training is education (word training indicates that to me). Correct me if I am wrong Sir.
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Haha! Ive been flying jets a lot longer than you mate with quite a few airlines! ive also been investigating pay to fly and trying to put a stop to it for a few years.

You seem immature and childish. Maybe one day youll realise how foolish your thinking is, for now enjoy your training, im sure your work ethic is just as poor and weak!
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Originally Posted by pfvspnf
Haha! Ive been flying jets a lot longer than you mate with quite a few airlines! ive also been investigating pay to fly and trying to put a stop to it for a few years.

You seem immature and childish. Maybe one day youll realise how foolish your thinking is, for now enjoy your training, im sure your work ethic is just as poor and weak!
Thanks pfvspnf, so far I am enjoying it

I can only wish you good luck with trying to stop P2F.
However, no reason to lie and spread wrong rumors around forum, claiming that it's a scam etc, without having any references or proof.

You can call me whatever you want, that probably makes you more mature than I am. I was only asking where you have the information from, that the program is cancelled - and apparently, you have no answers.

Peace.
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Well, we all make our own choices, and I don't mind you calling me a sucker

Regarding education, in my opinion Line training is education (word training indicates that to me). Correct me if I am wrong Sir.
Sorry Captain Sucker, but there is a difference between education and a very specific training for a very specific job.
I guess that big, shiny jet is shining so much that it's blinding people.

What do they call subsidizing pax tickets? Participating in the company's marketing strategy?
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Originally Posted by DirtyProp
Sorry Captain Sucker, but there is a difference between education and a very specific training for a very specific job.
I guess that big, shiny jet is shining so much that it's blinding people.

What do they call subsidizing pax tickets? Participating in the company's marketing strategy?
Lol, you don’t have to be sorry on my behalf and as I have mentioned before, call me whatever you like, I am not offended - sorry for that.

Original poster was asking information regarding Vietjet and ATRANS and I am willing to help, by answering those questions.
However, you Sir are welcome to continue crying about P2F
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Lol, you don’t have to be sorry on my behalf and as I have mentioned before, call me whatever you like, I am not offended - sorry for that.
I am certainly not sorry for a willing sucker.

Original poster was asking information regarding Vietjet and ATRANS and I am willing to help, by answering those questions.
However, you Sir are welcome to continue crying about P2F
Others too are willing to help in providing him relevant information.
You are welcome to keep on telling him the great life of being a sucker driving a big shiny jet and subsidizing your pax tickets, others are welcome to call a scam when they see one.
You can polish a turd as much as you like, but it will remain a turd.
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I just dont see how it is a scam?
They dont hide that it cost money, they give - what they have prommised.
So where is the scam? It can be unmoral perhaps, but I would not call it scam.
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So you're clearly not aware of so many people being stuck in Vietnam after having paid thousands, management was so corrupt that they knew about the scam and then decided to up the price. Everyone be careful , Vatslav might be in on it too. Don't let anybody sweet talk you into paying
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I just dont see how it is a scam?
They dont hide that it cost money, they give - what they have prommised.
So where is the scam? It can be unmoral perhaps, but I would not call it scam.
Maybe because they take advantage of you instead of giving you a job and subsidizing your training?
But I guess that if they openly say they will screw you over that's ok, it's no longer a scam.
Boy, that big jet must be shining real bright, they got you hook line and sinker.
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So you're clearly not aware of so many people being stuck in Vietnam after having paid thousands, management was so corrupt that they knew about the scam and then decided to up the price. Everyone be careful , Vatslav might be in on it too. Don't let anybody sweet talk you into paying
You are absolutely right; I don’t know anyone that was stuck here. Nevertheless, I do know about 8 people from my TR course that are here as well and now all flying a shiny jet.

Actually, the only place where I hear it’s a scam and people get cheated, is on this forum.

And no lol, unfortunately I don't get paid to provide this information - If I did, you would see me being much more active on this forum ) The reason I do it, is cause I was in exactly same situation as original poster, asking about ATRANS and Vietjet, without any clear answers.

There are many P2F companies and I am not saying they are all legit or anything. I am only telling about my experience with ATRANS and Vietjet, no more no less.

If this is a scam, then paying for own Type rating is also a scam - which became very normal these days.
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