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Old 6th Jun 2012, 13:18   #61 (permalink)
 
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CX SO

Did stage one interview yesterday and I thought it went pretty good. I also have a friend there and he makes it sound much better than most of the posts on here do. I've asked him about all the negative things on here that people have brought up and from someone on the inside he explained how things really work in more detail than I have been able to find online. I'm pretty excited about the possibilities.
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Old 20th Jun 2012, 09:46   #62 (permalink)
 
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Well written story by Akota, extremely entertaining.
Thumbs up for him.
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Old 22nd Jun 2012, 09:55   #63 (permalink)
 
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It is unfortunate that some of the CX pilots find Hong Kong as an overcrowded and polluted city when they were not aware of the fact that every big city in Asia will always be overcrowded and polluted. So that is a sign of not doing proper research on their part before joining the airline.

What does that mean? If you get paid extremely well by Cathay Pacific, you're willing to move on and ignore the fact that Hong Kong is one of the most densely populated and polluted cities??

I'm just getting to know more about this as I would love to work for this airline. I met two second officers, one from New Zealand and another from south africa who are enjoying every bit of it at cathay pacific. They became second officers in early 2011. And I didn't hear them whine about the lifestyle and the airline.
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Old 22nd Jun 2012, 12:16   #64 (permalink)
 
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It is unfortunate that some of the CX pilots find Hong Kong as an overcrowded and polluted city when they were not aware of the fact that every big city in Asia will always be overcrowded and polluted. So that is a sign of not doing proper research on their part before joining the airline.
The problem is the pollution gets worse every year. Research that.

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I met two second officers, one from New Zealand and another from south africa who are enjoying every bit of it at cathay pacific. They became second officers in early 2011. And I didn't hear them whine about the lifestyle and the airline.
They've only been here 5 minutes. Of course they love it. The rose coloured glasses are still firmly in place. The Shiny Jet Syndrome hasn't worn off yet. Give it a few more years, with families, mortgages, bills, divorces etc on the crappy package they are on, and they will be whining louder than the guys who have been here for awhile.
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Old 22nd Jun 2012, 12:51   #65 (permalink)
 
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I'm just getting to know more about this as I would love to work for this airline. I met two second officers, one from New Zealand and another from south africa who are enjoying every bit of it at cathay pacific. They became second officers in early 2011. And I didn't hear them whine about the lifestyle and the airline.
And you don't thing all of us at some point wanted to be here? Don't you think every one of us at one point were feeling incredibly thankfull, happy and proud to be hired by Cathay?

What do you think happened to us all?
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Old 22nd Jun 2012, 12:56   #66 (permalink)
 
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The problem is the pollution gets worse every year. Research that.
Hmm, that is an obvious fact, isn't it? People moving into another country for employment purposes should look into all this if it is a major concern for them. But why this compromise, Dan Buster? Airlines in the Middle-East are calling. What about UK, Australia, Canada, USA (whichever is your home country)...how are the packages there? Please, I'm only looking for good advice.

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They've only been here 5 minutes. Of course they love it. The rose coloured glasses are still firmly in place. The Shiny Jet Syndrome hasn't worn off yet. Give it a few more years, with families, mortgages, bills, divorces etc on the crappy package they are on, and they will be whining louder than the guys who have been here for awhile.
I forgot to mention that one of them is married and has a 5 yr old son. The other pilot isn't though. But I did ask the married guy whether the family was okay about living in Hong Kong. He said they had no problems at all, of course the pollution was a concern. But something they could handle. Apart from that, they're a happy family for the past 16 months. So I'm yet to hear anything disastrous from his side.
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Old 22nd Jun 2012, 18:48   #67 (permalink)
 
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It is what you can make of it..
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Old 23rd Jun 2012, 11:47   #68 (permalink)
 
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16 months, wow, that's a lifetime!!
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Old 23rd Jun 2012, 12:23   #69 (permalink)
 
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something they could handle

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of course the pollution was a concern. But something they could handle
The world's scientists are desperate for detail of this dramatic new breakthrough !

Air pollution and children’s respiratory health

The Health Effects of Air Pollution on Children

Pollution harms developing lungs - stunted development

"Just so you know" .... as they say in the US

I guess as long as he's educated himself as to the trade off
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Old 24th Jun 2012, 04:27   #70 (permalink)
 
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Interesting thoughts Daniel. And as per the thousands of posts on the topic, you and the overwhelming majority of CX cadet hopefuls completely disregard the LONG TERM realities of the decisions you think you are making correctly now.

Your iCadet SO mate who is married with the 5 year old kid.... When was his deep seeded "passion" for aviation realised? Did it come via the lowering of standards and requirements that CX now need to do attract applicants (since those with the experience & runs on the board that were previously sort after refuse to work for such an insulting offer)? Is your mate able to "enjoy" this iCadet lifestyle that this remuneration package has to offer because his wife has a well paid job or that he was once one of these bankers / lawyers / other professional with money well saved up that allows him to "afford" this remuneration package? Such pilots (loose term) "passion" is only present because they can "afford" it. Nothing more, nothing less. If none of these points are accurate then for him to live on a continually depreciating income package with a wife, 5 year old all on a single income of approximately $45k HKD per month (year 1, but worth less in year 2 if the rental market increases of course!!) then there is NO WAY he can live comfortably and even hope to retire securely. In fact I believe it damn irresponsible to bring a wife and 5 year old to HK on such a employment contract.

Once the Shiny Jet Syndrome wears off and the life of a CX iCadet SO truly kicks in (a 3-5 year period....) then that is the reality.

So, what of the Middle East, of other jobs in Oz, NZ, Europe you say? OK...do you understand the term "SENIORITY" and it's implications on an airline pilot's career - as it should? Well, to those of us who respect it as a sanctity of our careers. And then , what of contract jobs? They are or can be well paid BUT they come at a cost of job security, career progression and not to mention quite large personal & family lifestyle sacrifices.

Guys like me worked our ar$es off for years to gain the experience for the dream of getting into CX. I was offered the job but then they turned around and offered this insulting C-Scale so most of those in my pool flat out rejected it: all but one I am told. That took 3.5 years for CX to come back to me after my initial letter of congratulations and on this forum kids moan and complain that CX don't get back to them within a week or month!!! What a joke. It reeks of their immaturity. Others just as determined to and just as if not more experienced than me joined before me on B-Scale, obviously. They realised their dream and the fruits of their efforts to get where they prayed to one day be.

So, with this in mind, do you think they then turn around complain easily about the company they (we) worked so hard to get into? Or, maybe there is some truth in the way CX treats it's pilots, how CX treats the black and white of a signed contract, and of the direction this C-Scale implies to the future direction of their contracts....!!! Once again, these are all LONG TERM affects of and histories of the job and CX that all to many of you are wilfully ignorant to. You only choose to see the issues that vilify your want to join CX, and refuse the realities that are offered to you from those with the experience and knowledge of CX.
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Old 25th Jun 2012, 17:02   #71 (permalink)
 
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Oh to be young and naive. Life was so much sweeter when I didnt know what I didnt know
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Old 10th Jul 2012, 06:48   #72 (permalink)
 
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Thanks for all the information some of the big guns out there posted.

Great day to all
Diesel and Dust

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Old 23rd Aug 2012, 06:14   #73 (permalink)


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Sounds like KA cadet is better if you are local then...you get to fly a lot more and you get much quicker career path, right?
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Old 13th Sep 2012, 19:24   #74 (permalink)
 
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So happy to see the Cx recruiting team taking the time to provide input to this forum. ?????????

Are they that desperate? Obviously 'yes' is the answer.
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Old 2nd Oct 2012, 02:19   #75 (permalink)
 
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Akota....

great write up. I shuddered reading it.

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Old 2nd Oct 2012, 03:56   #76 (permalink)
 
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Great write up, very accurate. I must say I had a bit of a laugh !

I honestly can't understand why anyone who has done their homework would even consider this job !
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Old 2nd Oct 2012, 11:23   #77 (permalink)
 
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If nothing else works, a total pig-headed unwillingness to look facts in the face will see us through.
Baaaa
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Old 2nd Oct 2012, 13:11   #78 (permalink)
 
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Fooey! You just can't let go! You must have loved it here after all!

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Old 2nd Oct 2012, 14:07   #79 (permalink)
 
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The guys from South Africa and New Zealand really don't have much to choose from in their home countries....So if CX comes knocking who would say no ?

SAA an Air NZ definitely have better payscales than CX. That can be assured.

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Old 3rd Oct 2012, 08:17   #80 (permalink)
 
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You are, as far as I remember, flying at SAA. May I remind you that yesterday you have been, once again, bailed out by the SA taxpayer.

R5 billion to be exact.

How do you explain away your taxpayer funded salary compared to CX ?

Are you complaining or braging here on this forum ?

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