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Cathay Pacific Cadet Pilot Programme

Old 4th Mar 2012, 11:19
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@orangeboy and sloppyjoe

Thanks for the reply. Btw English is not my first language but I don't think my English is that bad to deserve a re-test. Anyway, I hope all will be well,in 6 months time as they said, but I cannot imagine being asked to pay for the fare back to HK just for the Icao English re-test.Any ideas?
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Old 4th Mar 2012, 12:31
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Flyber, don't waste your time thinking for your f*cking crazy ticket man.. That's ridiculous.

I would more worry about the retake itself than your ticket. Besides, would it be so bad to pay for your ticket to HKG?

Put your effort and brains in the ICAO test, the ticket will come by itself.

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Old 4th Mar 2012, 14:43
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@cw

Thanks for the advice, I will now focus on the re-test. Maybe they have other plans on the tickets,who knows. Would someone who have done this re-test thing mind sharing the experience please.
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Old 5th Mar 2012, 03:01
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26 March 2nd stage interview

Hi there,

If anyone is having 2nd stage interview in Hong Kong, please kindly pm me.

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Old 6th Mar 2012, 12:01
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well i applied for this programe 6 months ago i have 245 hours....i was never contacted?
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Old 7th Mar 2012, 08:36
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Thanks for the Info Bond.

Happy Landings
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Old 7th Mar 2012, 08:48
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pay is 45000HKD and housing is 10000HKD, before tax
Not correct. Pay is HKD33000 and "allowance" is HKD10000, gross HKD43000, all before tax.
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Old 7th Mar 2012, 10:01
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i just got their info a week ago from hr and it said :

Basic Salary
SO 1st year HKD 422,040 per annum
JFO 1st year HKD 666,924 per annum

In addition, SO are eligible for hourly duty pay and is calculated on 84 credit hours per month equating to HKD 42,204 per annum.

Annual Bonus : equivalent to 1 months salary.

HK Tax : 17%

HK Allowances : HKD 10,000 per month
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Old 7th Mar 2012, 11:27
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In addition, SO are eligible for hourly duty pay and is calculated on 84 credit hours per month equating to HKD 42,204 per annum.
You’re assuming you do 84 hours per month. Because of the nature of Ultra Long Haul flying, it is almost impossible to roster you for exactly 84 hours per month. The company also doesn’t like paying overtime which kicks in above 84 hours so they generally will roster you for less than 84 hours. You also don’t accrue HDP while you’re on leave and when you’re sick.
Annual Bonus : equivalent to 1 months salary.
It is an “Annual Discretionary Bonus” with emphasis on the word “Discretionary”. The company doesn’t and hasn’t in the past paid this bonus.
HK Tax : 17%
Multiply this x2 for your first year to cover Provisional Tax, i.e. 34%.
HK Allowances : HKD 10,000 per month
How far do you think HK$10000 will go in paying for a place to rent in Hong Kong?
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Old 7th Mar 2012, 15:34
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Re: Housing etc

Ok, this is a mixture of opinion and facts, but it's all coming from someone living what you all seem to want to aspire to and are realities for most living here on these new terms. Take from it what you want.

If you are a westerner you will have a massive shock finding anything liveable for the amount they are offering as a package, all the way up the ladder.

Basically, for the absolute bare minimum accommodation most young, single professionals would want to live in in HK it's going to cost much, much more than this (fully taxable) allowance, and probably most of your salary as well. Somewhere local, and as cheap and as dull as it gets, like Tung Chung you're looking at 15k upwards for a shoebox for the privilege or breathing in some of the ****tiest air on the planet. DB, Gold Coast etc, a little more. The closer to town you get it goes up exponentially. Fancy living in town in an apartment where you can't touch both walls with your outstretched arms? Well you can't, almost certainly, ever. Unless you fancy sharing with two or three buddies, which I assure you gets very tiring very quickly, when you move your wives over etc (which you will!)

Realistically, you are spending <50% of your GROSS (dont forget 30% tax first year either... struggling yet?) every month filling someone elses pockets, just to live in a place you can stomach, so forget about ever buying a place here that you would ever actually want to live in. Look at typical buying prices and mortgage rates etc and do the sums. And be honest with yourself; factor in things like kids and a wife eventually, and the bigger place you will need. It's all well and good saying "Well i'll plan to save xx here and then I'll save xxx here and have xxxxx by JFO etc". Quite practically, if you have no other savings, rich parents etc you will never be able to do this. Hong Kong is an incredibly expensive place and living like a student, in a small apartment, I just about manage to save a few thousand HK$ a month. Is this worth moving away from your friends, family and all you hold dear for? Throw in a useless P2X rating and the privilege of babysitting the a/p for 8 hours at a time in the middle of the night over the north pole for 4 years? Close yet?

The reality is that as your wages go up, the chances are that your overall living costs ( rent, insurance, electricity rates etc) and your family commitments will too, at a faster rate. For example, Cathay will tell you that they pay upto 90% of your school fees, but they won't tell you that some schools, clubs etc require things like debentures (Google them), which they won't cover, and you won't be able to afford to. They also won't say it's practically impossible these days getting your kids into a school where you actually want them to go, when you want them to go. Say the only school you can get them into happens to be in, say, Clearwater Bay, but you live in DB. And you can't afford to live in Clearwater Bay. Or drive a car because you live in DB. Do you start to see the endless problems you will encounter living here without any money in your pocket?

To be completely honest the only guys I know that are truly happy here on local terms fall into one of three categories; Those with strong family ties to Hong Kong/Cathay; those who, for whatever reason, are money no object; and those who just can't wait to tell everybody they know they fly for CX and put pictures of "The Office " on Facebook. Everybody else is passing through, myself included. It is in no way a career airline under these terms. It would be literally financial suicide to do so. There are many good things about working, and especially starting your career here. I won't deny that. But the simple truth is that the longer you are here the more you will resent the deal you took because you are getting more and more short changed by the day and with the recent rewriting of contracts to many different groups of cadets, I am not of the opinion that this will feeling improve any time soon. I made the decision to come here. I am still not exactly sure whether it was the right one and I do accept that nobody forced me to sign the contract. However, if I had a crystal ball, or researched it more thoroughly you could argue, then I probably wouldn't have. But who knows?

If you have very few other options available to you then by all means have a look and make your own mind up but what I present to you are the realities a lot of guys are facing. They are disillusioned with life in HK, are unhappy and looking elsewhere, especially those with decent, DESO'esque hours. If you have options, especially at home, then I would strongly urge you to to stay, because, based on all of the above, why do you really want to come here?

Buyer beware!
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Old 7th Mar 2012, 18:06
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Aviation Mathematics (60 min)

Hello everyone,

I spent a whole week going through this thread from page one. It was worth it. There is a tremendous amount of info here about the company, life in Hong Kong, interviews etc.

I have questions to those who did the 2nd stage interview very recently. Is the test they call "aviation mathematics" 30 or 60 minutes? I read in older posts about the math test where it was clearly stated that this test had not much to do with aviation, so don't expect glide slope, convergency and PNR calculations. They also wrote that the test was 30 minutes and had 33 questions. My second stage invitation states a 60 min limit for this test. Did they change the time limit to one hour to make it easier or harder with more questions? Or is it maybe a different test for AE candidates, really involving actual aviation mathematics?
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Old 7th Mar 2012, 20:34
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hi, I'm new to this forum and just applied the CX cadet program. I have read through alot of forums about the CX cadet interview but I still got a little confused about the application screening. I have no flying experiences, should I expect no chance that I will get contact for the interview? in other words, they actually will only contact people who already have flying experiences? if so, in order to pass the application screening, i should at least get the ICAO test passed and get some flying experiences? is this correct? thanks for any replies and taking time to view my message.
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Old 7th Mar 2012, 20:42
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Yatsuki

If you hold a permanent hong kong identity card then they may call you for an interview.

If you do not hold a permanent hong kong identity card then you do not meet the requirements as do not hold a CPL/IR

You need to get flying experience if you are not a permanent resident of hong kong.
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Old 7th Mar 2012, 21:04
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Thank you for your quick reply, SloppyJoe!

This really relief my nervous a bit, I've been stressing out to get prepared for the interview since I applied for the program. btw, did you go through the cadet program before? if so, can you tell me anything that helps for the interview? again, thank you for your reply!
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Old 8th Mar 2012, 09:45
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Hi all.

I applied for the SO program on 05/2011 and still haven't heard anything from Cathay.

Could any of you guys advise on this! is it normal to wait for an application for that long or maybe I just don't meet the requirements.

Any guys from the UK applied mid last year and still waiting please update me.

Thank you all
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Old 8th Mar 2012, 11:29
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I applied in April 2010 without experience and never received a call back.

Now I have 240 hours and started to fill in the online application form, but I didnīt completely finished it. Every time I try to login it says the system is currently unavailable, but this is already for 2 months??

I sent them an email and gave them a call, but they donīt respond. Does anyone has have had them problem before...?

Thanks
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Old 8th Mar 2012, 11:59
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Hi,

I've been having problem in updating my application like some other guys on this forms.

when i first applied, i hold JAR Frozen ATPL TT 500hrs and now i cant even update my application and so far no news from cathay.


Thanks

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Old 8th Mar 2012, 21:17
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As I was reading previous posts, specifically the very recent ones, I saw some people already got the news about their stage 2 interview date is already confirmed in March, 2012 and yet I just applied on March, 4th, 2012. Is that mean that I'm already late for this quarter and I should expect a longwait on the response for my initial interview if my application is passed?

Also, people who already passed the stage 1 interview, can you guys share some information about your interview experience? thank you
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Old 8th Mar 2012, 21:18
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Thumbs up CPP final interview on 23 April

Hi guys,

I am new in here. Anyone has CPP final interview on 23 April in Hong Kong?

If yes, please, leave a message and contact.

Thank You
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Old 9th Mar 2012, 19:45
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Thanks for the reply mate
I actually called Cathay and the sweet voiced lady told me the application screening might take up to 3~8months for them to reply the applicants *stunned* anyway, I would just go get some more hours during this period of time

And good luck to those who will do the final interview in April!
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