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20th Oct 2011, 17:18
Replies: 450
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Posted By high spirits

QED

Of course, if you are going to spend circa half a billion marinising what you have, then you might as well spend that amount on brand spankers airframes for CHF.

If you only plan to marinise a...
19th Oct 2011, 18:19
Replies: 450
Views: 104,598
Posted By high spirits

O-G, Looking forward to watching it fly 'by...

O-G,
Looking forward to watching it fly 'by itself' at night, at low level into that dust landing......
Almost as much as I look forward to watching £0.5 billion being prised from the Treasury. (if...
19th Oct 2011, 06:04
Replies: 450
Views: 104,598
Posted By high spirits

Grubber, I have no doubt that what you say...

Grubber,
I have no doubt that what you say about the PRC etc is true. The bit about parking up covered cabs minus blades on the flight deck is utter hoop. The deck is busy enough with exercising...
18th Oct 2011, 20:35
Replies: 450
Views: 104,598
Posted By high spirits

Devil Jungliebeefer Agreed. Use the money to convert...

Jungliebeefer
Agreed. Use the money to convert Mk2 Merlin cockpit to NVD, or upgrade the 12 mk 1 orphans, rather than marinise Mk3=cheaper. After all, mk1 mates talk about a 16 seat capability for...
18th Oct 2011, 17:21
Replies: 450
Views: 104,598
Posted By high spirits

If the lifts are big enough on CVF, they could...

If the lifts are big enough on CVF, they could take a fully spread chinook or Merlin as they are almost the same length and rotor diameter. But less chinook needed for lift = less cabs in the hangar...
18th Oct 2011, 16:34
Replies: 450
Views: 104,598
Posted By high spirits

James, No, you simply make mine and the...

James,
No, you simply make mine and the argument of Unchecked quite clear. Less platforms to embark sustained ops on, but the same load, ie 3Cdo = a better cab with greater lift capacity. It comes...
18th Oct 2011, 16:17
Replies: 450
Views: 104,598
Posted By high spirits

Ah, halcyon days! Oh, almost forgot. Did I...

Ah, halcyon days!

Oh, almost forgot. Did I mention that our collective UK wallet is emptier than a witches brassiere?
18th Oct 2011, 15:39
Replies: 450
Views: 104,598
Posted By high spirits

I'm sure it wasnt you FOD, but one of your RN...

I'm sure it wasnt you FOD, but one of your RN cohorts said on a similar thread that lily padding doesn't count(or some such words). 1 LPH and a legacy CVS. That is all you can embark on for a...
18th Oct 2011, 05:07
Replies: 450
Views: 104,598
Posted By high spirits

James, I'm talking about CHF as a whole. Is it...

James,
I'm talking about CHF as a whole. Is it not 4 sqns? It looks quite a large organisation for one, maybe 2 pretend aircraft carriers...
17th Oct 2011, 21:39
Replies: 450
Views: 104,598
Posted By high spirits

4 sqns, not 3(845,46, 47, 48?)50 years? not on SK...

4 sqns, not 3(845,46, 47, 48?)50 years? not on SK 4... How many carriers to fly off in future? How many frames will be Marinised? Why the need for all Merlin Mk 3 to go to the RN if we can only foot...
17th Oct 2011, 20:51
Replies: 450
Views: 104,598
Posted By high spirits

Bengo, Correct, there are plenty of planning...

Bengo,
Correct, there are plenty of planning rounds to come. But if you are not going to marinise all of them, what is the point of giving up 2 sqns and 10 years worth of corporate experience on Mk3?
16th Oct 2011, 11:08
Replies: 450
Views: 104,598
Posted By high spirits

Tourist, Quite right, we follow orders..... ...

Tourist,
Quite right, we follow orders.....

But doling out orders without doing a proper analysis of cost versus benefit smacks of incompetence.
14th Oct 2011, 19:08
Replies: 450
Views: 104,598
Posted By high spirits

The weight and performance figures are available,...

The weight and performance figures are available, at least those without marinisation. Just ask the question of Benson. The thing that sticks out for me are the unanswered questions.

Surely they...
14th Oct 2011, 05:49
Replies: 450
Views: 104,598
Posted By high spirits

If the money is forthcoming, it will be another...

If the money is forthcoming, it will be another shocking example of MOD waste. It would be a better spend in the long term to just buy another type for pusser. Or has the penny finally dropped, it...
2nd Oct 2011, 15:51
Replies: 450
Views: 104,598
Posted By high spirits

O-D, I suggest you go to Benson and talk to the...

O-D,
I suggest you go to Benson and talk to the boys and girls about how much resource is available at home; Aircrew , instructors and aircraft to train on. Add to that, support to Ops and you will...
1st Oct 2011, 12:21
Replies: 450
Views: 104,598
Posted By high spirits

O-D Smell a rat if you want but you are missing...

O-D
Smell a rat if you want but you are missing one crucial fact. The Merlin is still on Ops with the RAF. Hence the timescale.
2nd Aug 2011, 14:39
Replies: 450
Views: 104,598
Posted By high spirits

Quote: the RAF will not follow a simple order to get on with it..

Nasty sideways walking crustaceans.........:{:{







Bell end.........
1st Aug 2011, 20:59
Replies: 450
Views: 104,598
Posted By high spirits

All of last few pages of this thread still...

All of last few pages of this thread still doesn't address the issue of capability. Without a cab that has the power, and is maranised(and paid for), there is no capability. If there is no need to...
30th Jul 2011, 22:28
Replies: 450
Views: 104,598
Posted By high spirits

Alfred, Agreed, I'm not putting my Service up...

Alfred,
Agreed, I'm not putting my Service up as a solution, far from it. I also won't sit here and put up with guff about 'growing' carrier SO's as if it is some sort of preferable career choice...
30th Jul 2011, 21:23
Replies: 450
Views: 104,598
Posted By high spirits

Pheasant, For Gods sake stop banging on about...

Pheasant,
For Gods sake stop banging on about career structure. You are going to have one QE class carrier, plus LPH at sea with a few single deck amphib vessels. Stop talking like it's some huge...
29th Jul 2011, 06:33
Replies: 450
Views: 104,598
Posted By high spirits

Onthebumline, Some of your comment I agree...

Onthebumline,
Some of your comment I agree with. Your experience is similar to mine. I think that conversion could be as much or as little as you like for an experienced SH pilot. Competence arrives...
27th Jul 2011, 16:59
Replies: 450
Views: 104,598
Posted By high spirits

Unchecked, Half baked, and unfunded - the usual...

Unchecked,
Half baked, and unfunded - the usual buy now pay later attitude that has got the military into the present situation.

There is another massive disincentive to stay. How many flying...
27th Jul 2011, 14:21
Replies: 450
Views: 104,598
Posted By high spirits

Unchecked, Training the RN to fly it will be a...

Unchecked,
Training the RN to fly it will be a professional responsibility, but I take your point about a lack of motivation. There is a major problem with the whole transfer for the RAF. Who will...
27th Jul 2011, 10:44
Replies: 450
Views: 104,598
Posted By high spirits

Unchecked, The idea is to transfer the Mk3 and...

Unchecked,
The idea is to transfer the Mk3 and then bleat for the funding later. By that time it will be solely RN. There will then be an outcry that it cannot go to sea without more money being...
24th Jul 2011, 10:08
Replies: 450
Views: 104,598
Posted By high spirits

MM4, The bickering is borne out of a lack of...

MM4,
The bickering is borne out of a lack of 'joint' at home. Across the big table in the tent at bsn it works well because it is truly joint.

Perhaps it is time to abolish individual Sqn...
24th Jul 2011, 08:18
Replies: 450
Views: 104,598
Posted By high spirits

Pheasant, Keep barking out those 'orders' to...

Pheasant,
Keep barking out those 'orders' to your hearts content. But do make sure that you resource them properly and the timescale is realistic and achievable, does not prejudice people's careers...
24th Jul 2011, 07:01
Replies: 450
Views: 104,598
Posted By high spirits

MM4, If you find it dreary, please feel free to...

MM4,
If you find it dreary, please feel free to take your supercilious attitude to another thread. The Mk 3 boys and girls are rightfully proud of what they have achieved in 2 theatres with a cab...
23rd Jul 2011, 20:45
Replies: 450
Views: 104,598
Posted By high spirits

Snafu, What is not 'smoke and mirrors' is that...

Snafu,
What is not 'smoke and mirrors' is that we, and I mean we, not RN and not Army or RAF, are currently £38 billion in the dwang...

Why, and how can we afford an x million marinisation...
22nd Jul 2011, 05:27
Replies: 450
Views: 104,598
Posted By high spirits

I'm wondering whether the lords and masters have...

I'm wondering whether the lords and masters have got themselves into a massive dilemma. Do we fund the second QE for big Dave's 'cat and trap' so we can operate it/flog it? Or: do we take the savings...
21st Jul 2011, 18:55
Replies: 450
Views: 104,598
Posted By high spirits

Like I said in an earlier post, if you make...

Like I said in an earlier post, if you make policy - it is worth having the wonga to back it up. What is the point of retraining 70 odd crews (where the hidden costs are enormous) just so the mk3...
21st Jul 2011, 18:23
Replies: 450
Views: 104,598
Posted By high spirits

I'm guessing it will not be a blade fold, tail...

I'm guessing it will not be a blade fold, tail fold. They will just fit tie down rings to it and put it up and down the lifts of QE and PoW. Only problem is it will not fit in hangar on ocean. It...
19th Jul 2011, 17:48
Replies: 450
Views: 104,598
Posted By high spirits

As I said in a previous post. If the policy to...

As I said in a previous post. If the policy to send mk3 across to the RN goes ahead(and I think it will), it will not meet the timescale of those who are making it. Why? To make something happen it...
17th Jul 2011, 09:38
Replies: 450
Views: 104,598
Posted By high spirits

MM4, As for your withdrawn post about everybody...

MM4,
As for your withdrawn post about everybody flying each others helicopters- you were not in Bitburg with 6 others were you?
17th Jul 2011, 08:50
Replies: 450
Views: 104,598
Posted By high spirits

Maroon man, You fail to notice the irony of...

Maroon man,
You fail to notice the irony of your predicament. When the booties find out just how much it can lift, they will be on the horn to odiham requesting your presence at the next cocktail...
17th Jul 2011, 07:33
Replies: 450
Views: 104,598
Posted By high spirits

...but no mention of a Merlin marinisation...

...but no mention of a Merlin marinisation upgrade or an LEP. Without one it will just about lift pussers lunchbox. I'd also be interested to know when the mk3 is lifex. I have heard rumours of 2030.
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