Heightened security at U.S airports (and overseas?)
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Cam - you are correct - most security staff do a good job on really low wages - it can't be a pleasant job sometimes
however I've seen enough cases of "little Hitlers" who seem to delight in causing passengers unnecessary problems to know that it's a real problem for the industry and actively turns people off from the idea of flying
however I've seen enough cases of "little Hitlers" who seem to delight in causing passengers unnecessary problems to know that it's a real problem for the industry and actively turns people off from the idea of flying
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The security measures in force are aimed at preventing a terrorist taking on and detonating explosives on board an aircraft. What it DOES NOT do is prevent a terrorist from detonating explosives in the crowded check-in areas or (as mentioned by DCS99) the crowded security areas at major airports.
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You over estimate the importance of forums.
If numbers were all you were after, an airport wouldn't be the first place to choose
and it's obvious anyway.
You over estimate the importance of forums.
If numbers were all you were after, an airport wouldn't be the first place to choose
and it's obvious anyway.
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there have been a number of attacks on airports both landside and airside over the years
Nairobi, Glasgow, ..................
Category:Terrorist attacks on airports - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia lists 18
there have been a number of attacks on airports both landside and airside over the years
Nairobi, Glasgow, ..................
Category:Terrorist attacks on airports - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia lists 18
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@Heathrow Harry - Indeed, which gives even less excuse for the security systems to create a target rich environment with extensive 'Disney style' queues.
The security staff know their throughput rate, they know the demanded throughput from the number of pax due to go to the gates in each hour; so either staff up to provide the required throughput rate or cancel flights due to lack of security capacity to avoid creating crowds of 'targets'.
The real issue again is that the willingness to increase security inspections is not matched by a willingness to pay for the required security capacity. As the government is now saying that the current raised security level will be the case for some time then there is no excuse not to increase security capacity
The security staff know their throughput rate, they know the demanded throughput from the number of pax due to go to the gates in each hour; so either staff up to provide the required throughput rate or cancel flights due to lack of security capacity to avoid creating crowds of 'targets'.
The real issue again is that the willingness to increase security inspections is not matched by a willingness to pay for the required security capacity. As the government is now saying that the current raised security level will be the case for some time then there is no excuse not to increase security capacity
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HH,
If the people who attacked Glasgow, had thought bout it, they would have picked another target or picked a better way to achieve what they were trying to achieve. The fact concrete bollards stopped the vehicle shows a severe lack of prep and planning.
I hate to say it but the Bali bombings were very successful because of good preparation and planning. If you cant get to the people, get the people to come to you.
If the people who attacked Glasgow, had thought bout it, they would have picked another target or picked a better way to achieve what they were trying to achieve. The fact concrete bollards stopped the vehicle shows a severe lack of prep and planning.
I hate to say it but the Bali bombings were very successful because of good preparation and planning. If you cant get to the people, get the people to come to you.
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Security is now a multi $billion industry and the vast majority aimed at Aviation.
i live in London and use the London Tube system. Thousands pile onto the tubes, People from all walks of life and every nationality and religious back grounds.
whats more they drag cases and bags cramming themselves into packed tube trains which equally carry as many passengers as an Airline.
Who ever stops me dragging my case and checks my case through scanning machines or asks me to step through metal detectors?
No one!
so what makes aircraft so unique or attractive to terrorists especially as now they are such a hard target
i live in London and use the London Tube system. Thousands pile onto the tubes, People from all walks of life and every nationality and religious back grounds.
whats more they drag cases and bags cramming themselves into packed tube trains which equally carry as many passengers as an Airline.
Who ever stops me dragging my case and checks my case through scanning machines or asks me to step through metal detectors?
No one!
so what makes aircraft so unique or attractive to terrorists especially as now they are such a hard target
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Cameronian,
I have to agree with you. When I was a civil pilot it was before 911 so I have not experienced the problems frequently spoken of on this forum. However, as a SLF I have had nothing but cheerful professionalism from the security staff (with the exception of New York). At LGW last month the machine thought it had detected explosives amongst my rather numerous pills. The problem was dealt with extreme tact and smiling efficiency and ended up with hand shakes all round. Please understand I am not trying to rubbish those who do complain, but I would just like to point out that it's not all bad.
I have to agree with you. When I was a civil pilot it was before 911 so I have not experienced the problems frequently spoken of on this forum. However, as a SLF I have had nothing but cheerful professionalism from the security staff (with the exception of New York). At LGW last month the machine thought it had detected explosives amongst my rather numerous pills. The problem was dealt with extreme tact and smiling efficiency and ended up with hand shakes all round. Please understand I am not trying to rubbish those who do complain, but I would just like to point out that it's not all bad.
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It's all window dressing, if you wanted to create carnage, you could just nip down to the Trafford centre where you'd have 10s of thousands of targets. No metal detactors there.
And yes some security staff are proper brainless w@nkers, one particular favourite was being stopped on Christmas Eve in BFS. Now I'd commited the heanous crime of collecting a wrapped present from my ex-partners parents, was then asked "What's in it?" and forced to open it, even though I had to point out the Rapiscan showed no organic material in it. Totally brainless.
As much abuse as the TSA get, I've always found them to be friendly and courteous. Some UK one's have some bizarre megalomaniacal complex.
And yes some security staff are proper brainless w@nkers, one particular favourite was being stopped on Christmas Eve in BFS. Now I'd commited the heanous crime of collecting a wrapped present from my ex-partners parents, was then asked "What's in it?" and forced to open it, even though I had to point out the Rapiscan showed no organic material in it. Totally brainless.
As much abuse as the TSA get, I've always found them to be friendly and courteous. Some UK one's have some bizarre megalomaniacal complex.
As much abuse as the TSA get, I've always found them to be friendly and courteous. Some UK one's have some bizarre megalomaniacal complex.
The UK is a mess, with ID systems that don’t talk to each other, non-existent staff training in some instances and a significant number of personnel with what I can only call ‘attitude’. Treating people (99.9999% of which are NOT terrorists) rudely and arrogantly does not help in the detection of the genuine article, in fact it provides cover and distraction for them to slip through unnoticed.
South African Captain strips at airport Security check ..........
This would have been me had I still been flying over the past few years, I would have been wearing an orange jump suit in Guantanamo years ago, having assaulted one of the TSA mob. I really can't understand why BALPA, ALPA, and other major crew organisations have allowed the Goons to treat them in this way. OK, essential to establish that those in uniform are bona fide crew members, fingerprint them, use eye iris prints, whatever necessary - and it can't be that difficult - but don't then also take their bottle of water, toothpaste, make-up or whatever off them and then give them a multi-million dollar Weapon of Mass Destruction loaded with 100 tons of highly flammable fuel, plus axes etc. to play with.
The proof of this is likely the Capt. of MH 370 ( or whatever the number was ) as I read recently that he is now the prime suspect in his own hi-jacking - will we ever know - but I bet they made him take his shoes off before getting on board. Idiots.
This would have been me had I still been flying over the past few years, I would have been wearing an orange jump suit in Guantanamo years ago, having assaulted one of the TSA mob. I really can't understand why BALPA, ALPA, and other major crew organisations have allowed the Goons to treat them in this way. OK, essential to establish that those in uniform are bona fide crew members, fingerprint them, use eye iris prints, whatever necessary - and it can't be that difficult - but don't then also take their bottle of water, toothpaste, make-up or whatever off them and then give them a multi-million dollar Weapon of Mass Destruction loaded with 100 tons of highly flammable fuel, plus axes etc. to play with.
The proof of this is likely the Capt. of MH 370 ( or whatever the number was ) as I read recently that he is now the prime suspect in his own hi-jacking - will we ever know - but I bet they made him take his shoes off before getting on board. Idiots.
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Perhaps I am just too logical, but if security can be heightened, doesn't that automatically indicate that it was actually lax prior to this?
By announcing raised security all you're doing is telling the bad guys to wait a bit before you try something. Delaying is not deterring or preventing.
By announcing raised security all you're doing is telling the bad guys to wait a bit before you try something. Delaying is not deterring or preventing.
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As much abuse as the TSA get, I've always found them to be friendly and courteous.
I'm not a fan of government-run anything but having worked for the Boeings, Lockheeds et al as a technical contributor on government contracts all my life, and watched how cleverly those corporations wasted billions of government dollars while producing expensive, late, and mediocre hardware and software, it was obvious that the security contractors were being paid for vigilance while hiring anyone willing to accept minimum wage for showing up and pretending to be awake.
The new mob is reasonably well paid thus attracts reasonable humans, and without a corporate profit motive can buy decent equipment and impose reasonable discipine/attention rules.
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Reports that TSA now requiring passengers at some overseas airports that offer U.S.-bound flights to power on their electronic devices. Devices that won't power up won't be allowed on planes, and those travelers may have to undergo additional screening.
TSA: Some at US-bound airports must turn on phones
TSA: Some at US-bound airports must turn on phones
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I don't see any problem with having to turn on machines etc.
In some ways I think it is good.
The only possible hiccup is if someone has removed the batteries because of the issues around certain types and wrapped them up separately.
I don't see any problem with having to turn on machines etc.
In some ways I think it is good.
The only possible hiccup is if someone has removed the batteries because of the issues around certain types and wrapped them up separately.
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Odd, I was talking about this with someone at work on Friday, but I flew from The Cook Islands to LAX in July 2010 and there was extra security that I had never seen before departure in Rarotonga. They asked everyone to show us their laptop/ipod/netbook etc on. My battery was totally dead, and I told security that and they just went "oh, ok nevermind" and didn't actually check it was dead, but still asked all the others to show it on.
So it's not a new thing as far as i know.
So it's not a new thing as far as i know.