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Old 3rd Feb 2012, 10:35   #21 (permalink)
 
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I was in a similar position two years ago. I wish all Malev employees all the very best of luck. It is a horrible situation to be in. There are jobs out there, no doubt, but unfortunately it may be a while before you can get back home. It seems to be the way of the industry just now. I know it will seem hard to see at the moment, but the sun will shine again. Good luck.
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Old 3rd Feb 2012, 10:41   #22 (permalink)
 
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For those (few) who celebrate:
I'm sitting in my office (not Malev) with a friend of mine, a young Malev captain who was scheduled to LEMD today. His 3 year old bright son is running to and fro in the foyer... We can hardly say a world.. just staring at each other...
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Ok,well tell him there are jobs outside of his country and being young will be on his side,paid schooling for his kid also.
So stop staring at eachother and tell him to get his log book stamped/a reference letter and get malev photocopy machine running while its still there.

Good luck!
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Old 3rd Feb 2012, 10:57   #23 (permalink)
 
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Sure, Sure. Just the first shock...
Many thanks anyway.
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Old 3rd Feb 2012, 11:12   #24 (permalink)
 
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I flew with them a few times; very professional airline. There is nothing to celebrate here. Terrible news for the airline, their customers and of course the country of Hungary.
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Old 3rd Feb 2012, 12:04   #25 (permalink)
 
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Unhappy

It can be wise to let an airline go bust if it has large debts, as Malev did. Then you can start new with a clean sheet for the future. Is this not the case here? As I just heard that the Hungarian government has stated that it has hopes Malev will make re-start. This might have been just a clever way to get out of paying back the state aid Malev received and clear all debts.

I really hope for all the people involved a re-start will be possible. I have been involved in a bankruptcy myself before and it is far from nice. Good luck to all there in Malev.
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Old 3rd Feb 2012, 12:19   #26 (permalink)
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As I just heard that the Hungarian government has stated that it hopes Malev will make re-start. This might be a clever way to get out of paying back the state aid Malev received.
But is it really the proper way of dealing with these inefficient airlines? Do we need to have the "national" carriers everywhere? When the old debts become wiped out, the new airline to be considered soon after? As a national one, it would surely have some key positions (posts, payroll items) arranged for state VIPs and all kind of "important" politicians. What for? Is Europe still doomed to have the "national" airlines nowadays?
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Old 3rd Feb 2012, 12:23   #27 (permalink)
 
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Didn't this happen in Switerland and Italy in the past?

Even SAS, would have gone belly up, if the countries had not bailed them out!
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Old 3rd Feb 2012, 12:32   #28 (permalink)
 
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Next easyjet base? Having said that they have never been able (in the past anyway) to act fast enough when these opportunities have come up. Ryanair? Wizz expansion? Did not Air Berlin have too many aircraft / crew? Seems to be a good place to throw in a few....?
Ryanair are basing 4 aircraft there from 17th Feb it would appear...
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Old 3rd Feb 2012, 12:32   #29 (permalink)
 
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RYANAIR Hungarys New National Airline

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There will be plenty of jobs.
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Old 3rd Feb 2012, 12:44   #30 (permalink)
 
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I always thought vultures were heavy, unwieldy, slow moving birds.

Seems the "greater yellow/blue Irish Vulture" is from a different gene pool, although from the sounds of things on that press release it has been sitting on a nearby tree biding its time.

Should bring a few jobs, but , amongst the ex-Malev staff, who is going to enjoy them ?

Oh well, any port in a storm.
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Old 3rd Feb 2012, 14:24   #31 (permalink)
 
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To all the Maliv guys thinking of joining Ryanair.
They are desperate for captains. Come summer they will not be able to cover the roster.
Negociate as a group, look for a Ryanair contract. Demand a base in Budapest, Ryanair will not want to base all of you in Hungrey, they will want to split you up, part of their divide and conquer policy.Read any contract very very closely, it is essential that you get an English speaking lawyer to come with you. Do not believe what you are told, only believe what they are prepared to but in writing. They need you more than you need them right now, do not rush into a bad deal. Stick together!!!
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Old 3rd Feb 2012, 15:59   #32 (permalink)
 
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Don't forget about all the other personel as well, there were not only pilots... Mechanics, etc... There's plenty of them and despite the fact that they were not officially fired yet, they have little to hope for now that all the airplanes leave for the leasing company's bases...
Any suggestion where should they try their luck?

It's interesting that in this case (that Malev went bust) the Hungarian state will not have to pay the penalty to the European Commission due to the support of the airline in the past that was deemed not in line with EU policies... Go figure who's interest was it the most...
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Old 3rd Feb 2012, 16:19   #33 (permalink)
 
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It is about time these heavily subsidised "companies" are taken to task. There are a few more to get rid of. Yes it is tough for the guys and girls working there but it is better for the industry as a whole. There will only be lean and mean airlines left that can compete on a global scale, this is only good for the long term future of the sector.

As always plenty of Ryanair bashing here, at least they make money and they will be here for a long time to come.
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Old 3rd Feb 2012, 16:20   #34 (permalink)
 
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Yep, was thinking myself that it "died" in a rather dignified, premeditated fashion , been expected for at least a week. Useful indeed to avoid some looming "costs".

When something doesn't smell right. . . well you know the saying, looks like, smells like, probably is.


Edited to say, most of the Ryanair "bashing" is rather in the form of warnings to those perhaps about to partake of the Irish punt, to see both sides of the coin. If you had the pleasure to work for our Mr O' Leary you would understand the wisdom of that.

Strangely enough, I fail to see why cutting everything down to rock bottom benefits anyone other than the shareholders in companies like Ryanair, except in the short term it takes to achieve their ultimate goal. . . which is,
once Micky has seen the last dinosaur fall, & has stopped making most of his money selling 6 year old Boeings for more than he paid for them, as future expansion has stalled due to European financial meltdown, do you really foresee that he will continue to sell you tickets for tuppence halfpenny any more ? or can't you see where this will end up ? Rising air fares, crummy service, crummy working conditions, & still big profits, where do you, the customer, or me, the employee, benefit here in the long term. Think Wallmart.

The industry, both from an employment, & customer experience point of view, has been "changed" irrevocably due to Ryan /Easy/Wizz.
Whether it has been "improved" ( & whether it could/should be in a different fashion in the future) is a discussion that is too long for this thread.
Anyone employed in aviation can see, every legacy carrier that founders is merely another nail in the coffin for decent T's & C's.
Anyone celebrating it, cannot see the wood for the trees, or is looking in from the outside & therefore doesn't really have a dog in this fight.

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Old 3rd Feb 2012, 16:34   #36 (permalink)
 
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There will be plenty of jobs.
Unfortunately you are not about to get rescued. You are about to get bent over and rogered MOL style. Despite the rhetoric, this smacks of the usual exploitation that is synonymous with a certain Irish operator.

I would be very surprised if there is a genuine "no fee" open door invite to DEC's and current TR'd guys. Is this not about a fresh supply of work for current RYR guys and new fATPL's who are waiting to pay? I fear that the poor Malev pilots won't get a look in (or ops, ground, engineering etc etc).

All very distasteful as usual and the typical wolf-in-sheep's clothing scenario that is turning this industry into the cesspool it is rapidly becoming.

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Old 3rd Feb 2012, 16:56   #37 (permalink)
 
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The industry, both from an employment, & customer experience point of view, has been "changed" irrevocably due to Ryan /Easy/Wizz.
I would add to that Cptplaystation, that EU actions have also changed the inudstry 'irrevocably'. EASA is mess and over regulates in some areas, yet in others, like the FTL's under regulates. it's like a propsal to do the largest amount of damage to the industry it can with regulation.

I won't even begin to mention the EU-ETS.

Then the EU, sees fit to provide taxpayer cash in the form of subsidies to Ryanair, making it a harder environment for other carriers (meanwhile FR drives a race to the bottom for T&C's and other airlines follow in order to remain competetive without such subsidies:

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French newspapers recently cited figures ranging between €35 million for France alone, and €660 million across the EU, as the value to Ryanair of the subsidies it receives
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Air Berlin's Head of Operations for Spain and Portugal has hit out at the subsidies granted by the various regional authorities to Ryanair, which he says "eliminates competition and pomotes blackmail."
etc etc ad nauseum.

The whole of the EU, for aircraft operators is going to hell in a handcart, as AoC's get terminated, and there will be more, it remains an unattractive region for anyone to enter into the market with margins and yields cut to the bone and ever increasing requirements, i can't see any reason why investment capital (if there was any in the EU market place anyway) would contend with the market.

And the lack of capital funding, due to the debt problems of the EU makes the market place even harder still.

Until politicians actually promote and support the industry rather than take punitive action against it we will continue to watch our industry decend further into the gutter, possibly even down the drain. To the detriment of locval, regional and national economies as well the jobs it provides both directly and indirectly.
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Old 3rd Feb 2012, 17:15   #38 (permalink)
 
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Very nicely put, captplaystation.

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Anyone employed in aviation can see, every legacy carrier that founders is merely another nail in the coffin for decent T's & C's.
Anyone celebrating it, cannot see the wood for the trees, or is looking in from the outside & therefore doesn't really have a dog in this fight.
Alternative explanation: they see the wood very well, they are looking at it from the inside, just not form the cockpit but rather from some mgmt office, and really do have a dog in this fight.

Not everyone posting on this forum are professional pilots... even if they claim so.

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Didn't this happen in Switerland and Italy in the past?
Greece too but then it was expected and preparations were made, which doesn't seem to be the case in Hungary. I hope I got it wrong.

Sok szerencsét kivánok!
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Old 3rd Feb 2012, 18:24   #39 (permalink)
 
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Sad news, for all the family's involved. Another good airline, crews and all who was involved disappears in to history.
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Old 3rd Feb 2012, 18:33   #40 (permalink)
 
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New flights to fill up the void.

Wizz is basing 2 extra A320's @ Budapest starting next week already, plans for 2 more a litle after that, investing an extra 37 million € in BUD.
Ryanair 31 new routes from Budapest.
charleroi and Eindhoven to get at least 10-15 extra flights to and from Budapest
from Wizz and ryanair alone.

This is gonna be a real gloves of boxing match.
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