BAA Security Help
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From: north of barlu
BAA Security Help
Having returned from a very plesant European depolyment last April I seem to be being treated a lot more severely my BAA security than in the past.
What I would like to know is the "search rate" of X-rayed screend bags, It seems to me that once crew bags have past through the X-ray machine a lot of them are opend and very few have anything that infringes the regulations.
So to the request for help, if you are a Captain over the next week or two could you please post the "hand search rate" of your crews bags after X-raying and if any thing was found that was not within the rules.
I don't want to say too much about my personal conclusions about what is going on but a wider view would help me to understand BAA policy.
Thank you.
PS I only want replys from Captains so as to avoid "double hits" of a single inccident.
What I would like to know is the "search rate" of X-rayed screend bags, It seems to me that once crew bags have past through the X-ray machine a lot of them are opend and very few have anything that infringes the regulations.
So to the request for help, if you are a Captain over the next week or two could you please post the "hand search rate" of your crews bags after X-raying and if any thing was found that was not within the rules.
I don't want to say too much about my personal conclusions about what is going on but a wider view would help me to understand BAA policy.
Thank you.
PS I only want replys from Captains so as to avoid "double hits" of a single inccident.
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Excellent initiative!
Some weeks ago we spent 1 1/2 hour to clear LHR security. When we arrived at the security gate, there was one crew inside, and one bus ahead of us.
EVERYTHING was opened. The security crew refused to say anything about why they did this, and claimed nothing was out of the ordinary.
We arrived at the aircraft 5 minutes after our departure time.
Some weeks ago we spent 1 1/2 hour to clear LHR security. When we arrived at the security gate, there was one crew inside, and one bus ahead of us.
EVERYTHING was opened. The security crew refused to say anything about why they did this, and claimed nothing was out of the ordinary.
We arrived at the aircraft 5 minutes after our departure time.
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From: LHR
Is there anything else you would like to know about UK security?
Manning levels of check points? Frequency of hand searching? Weak search areas that would make for easy passage? Operatives that don't concentrate on their x-ray machines?
I get as frustrated as the next man about airport security everyday on my way to the flight deck, but publishing such detailed information here is entirely inappropriate. I would have thought that was obvious to an intelligent professional colleague.
You are an aviation professional I hope....? And not an FS jockey with Al-Qeda sympathies?
Manning levels of check points? Frequency of hand searching? Weak search areas that would make for easy passage? Operatives that don't concentrate on their x-ray machines?
I get as frustrated as the next man about airport security everyday on my way to the flight deck, but publishing such detailed information here is entirely inappropriate. I would have thought that was obvious to an intelligent professional colleague.
You are an aviation professional I hope....? And not an FS jockey with Al-Qeda sympathies?
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From: north
I can assure you A nad C 
(aka buster gonad) is a professional pilot and not only that but he is eminently qualified in the security department. This due to holding the world record for having his gonads felt by BAA's finest on the pretext of searching for liquids
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Stansted was his finest hour some years ago..
The impressive thing is that they were only frisking in the knee area.
(aka buster gonad) is a professional pilot and not only that but he is eminently qualified in the security department. This due to holding the world record for having his gonads felt by BAA's finest on the pretext of searching for liquids.Stansted was his finest hour some years ago..
The impressive thing is that they were only frisking in the knee area.
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From: London
Anyone who does not understand that the principal terrorist groups, with al Qa'ida in the lead, already know all they need to know about Security procedures in the UK and elsewhere doesn't begin to understand the problem of achieving good security of air transport.
As the PLO, Black September were doing in the 1970s, joined by PIRA then and later, al Qa'ida and others now have sleepers and informers where they need them. Some will be British citizens with squeaky clean records employed by BAA and other UK airports to touch up A&Cs gonads.
For balance, it should be pointed out that others will be equally squeaky-clean US Citizens employed in the same role by TSA.
Scary, isn't it?
Carry on posting, fellas, you're not going to reveal anything new.
As the PLO, Black September were doing in the 1970s, joined by PIRA then and later, al Qa'ida and others now have sleepers and informers where they need them. Some will be British citizens with squeaky clean records employed by BAA and other UK airports to touch up A&Cs gonads.
For balance, it should be pointed out that others will be equally squeaky-clean US Citizens employed in the same role by TSA.
Scary, isn't it?
Carry on posting, fellas, you're not going to reveal anything new.
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From: Wor Yerm
The request from A & C is a good indication of just how alienated most pilots feel from 'Security'. It's all pure theatre when viewed from a pilot's perspective.
than any terrorist action. These people see me (and every other airport worker) as part of the problem rather than part of the solution. They are not employed for their intelligence, just their blind obedience to rules and procedures - just like another well known group of people some 60 years ago who. I think a few of them created the defence "that they were only following orders".Prince Muhammad Bin Naif will tell you about the lastest methods employed by the religious nutters our morons are trying to trap, after he has had a few more showers. Now the tools of bad guys' trade are for all intents undetectable and we still can't take a yoghurt through airside.
You need to know very little about security to beat it (eg. ask West Midlands Air Support where their helicopter went). I've also only witnessed two (in 20 years of flying - so 5,000 times) checks on security at airports and in both cases they omitted to find prohibitted items. If there was a book, I know who I'd put my money on.
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From: Down south
Lets be honest, it does not take much thought to work out how to get a person/package/or anything else, airside at any airport, and not much more thought as to how to get it on an aircraft.
The gripes and moans we all hear are aimed at the section of security who 'check' passengers as they go airside. It is a very public event and it may put off the opportunist, and yes it might just stop an amateur terrorist. However it is a brave politician who says 'enough' and lets remove this charade and make passenger and baggage screening realistic.
I would suggest that it is impossible to have 100% security whilst moving millions of people and baggage. The best security measures are those that occur in the background to which most people have little or no knowledge.
Frisking pensioners just makes some travellers feel happier travelling by air, but in reality does little else.
The gripes and moans we all hear are aimed at the section of security who 'check' passengers as they go airside. It is a very public event and it may put off the opportunist, and yes it might just stop an amateur terrorist. However it is a brave politician who says 'enough' and lets remove this charade and make passenger and baggage screening realistic.
I would suggest that it is impossible to have 100% security whilst moving millions of people and baggage. The best security measures are those that occur in the background to which most people have little or no knowledge.
Frisking pensioners just makes some travellers feel happier travelling by air, but in reality does little else.
