EASA ATPL to UK CAA conversion
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It’s absolutely disgusting how badly this is affecting some who’ve been penalised for nothing more than bad luck or timing. EASA and the U.K. need to sort this BS out and they need to sort it out now before there’s no one left willing to remain part of this s**t show.
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What a mess. I did everything by the book: SOLI’d out on time from U.K. to EASA, got my EASA CPL issued on time etc and been operating ever since Brexit. The only thing that’s happened is that I’ve been granted an ATPL after the company sent me on a subsequent TR!
I’ve had a U.K. licence for ages… unreal.
I’ve had a U.K. licence for ages… unreal.
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Just a question someone maybe able to answer, I have recently received my U.K. licence after transferring out 7 yrs ago to IAA, however licence comes with letter regarding requirement of U.K. part Med certificate in order to exercise privileges.
However I completed the srg1217 form out previously in order to covert my easa (IAA) medical to satisfy U.K. CAA authorities, does this mean I need to book a U.K. class 1 now, even though I had class 1 renewal with U.K. AME only a few months ago? Thanks in advance
However I completed the srg1217 form out previously in order to covert my easa (IAA) medical to satisfy U.K. CAA authorities, does this mean I need to book a U.K. class 1 now, even though I had class 1 renewal with U.K. AME only a few months ago? Thanks in advance
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Is there anywhere to source the official UK FCL requirements like the "CAP XXX" from the old days? The conversion from EASA to UK CAA is not as difficult as we thought it would be post 31/12.22, for us ex-UK licence holders. However there is a bit of uncertainty about whether a UK licence can be issued blank or not as my bizjet rating is too expensive to book an LST to tranfer to a UK licence.
The CAA site is littered with errors and there are still references to completing EASA type ratings and the requirements for EASA Type ratings!
The CAA site is littered with errors and there are still references to completing EASA type ratings and the requirements for EASA Type ratings!
https://www.caa.co.uk/commercial-ind...-january-2023/
Bit hard work to get through this, but worth a read for different routes to a UK licence.
ps maxed out looks like a Route 5 case. I think.
Bit hard work to get through this, but worth a read for different routes to a UK licence.
ps maxed out looks like a Route 5 case. I think.
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Hi deltahotel
Thank you for the reply. The link you sent was the page (step 5/6) I was referring to when I spoke to the UK CAA.
My understanding reading this is, as an EASA atpl holder(ex-uk cpl holder), if I wanted to regain my UK licence at ATPL level, I need to do a UK ATPL skills test on my current type and then be issued with a UK ATPL plus rating endorsed at the same time. Unlikely I'll go down this route as booking a sim on my current type is very expensive.
Second option, if for example I was offered a UK Job on a different type, is that a new TR at a UK approved ATO would take place and then be issued an ATPL plus new TR at the same time.
However, I was led to believe on the phone, that I would first need to apply for the UK licence, be issued a blank licence with no IR on it, to then complete a UK approved TR. How does that even work, ie. a blank licence and then doing a TR without a UK ME-IR)? I have previously held 2 type ratings on a UK Licence so maybe I am exempted from having a current UK ME-IR??
I thought the whole point of the amended procedure post 31/12/22 is that you apply using your EASA Licence and Rating to complete either a Skills test on current Type or if offered a UK job, your UK employer could enroll you at a UK ATO and complete a full new TR and then be issued the Licence at Rating in one go. Or am I missing something here?
Thank you for the reply. The link you sent was the page (step 5/6) I was referring to when I spoke to the UK CAA.
My understanding reading this is, as an EASA atpl holder(ex-uk cpl holder), if I wanted to regain my UK licence at ATPL level, I need to do a UK ATPL skills test on my current type and then be issued with a UK ATPL plus rating endorsed at the same time. Unlikely I'll go down this route as booking a sim on my current type is very expensive.
Second option, if for example I was offered a UK Job on a different type, is that a new TR at a UK approved ATO would take place and then be issued an ATPL plus new TR at the same time.
However, I was led to believe on the phone, that I would first need to apply for the UK licence, be issued a blank licence with no IR on it, to then complete a UK approved TR. How does that even work, ie. a blank licence and then doing a TR without a UK ME-IR)? I have previously held 2 type ratings on a UK Licence so maybe I am exempted from having a current UK ME-IR??
I thought the whole point of the amended procedure post 31/12/22 is that you apply using your EASA Licence and Rating to complete either a Skills test on current Type or if offered a UK job, your UK employer could enroll you at a UK ATO and complete a full new TR and then be issued the Licence at Rating in one go. Or am I missing something here?
My reading is the same as yours, so good luck! Route 5 seems fairly simple.
Through the transition period when I was Soli out for examining purposes and helping colleagues sort out licensing issues I was pretty much on top of all of this but now we’re all uk not so much.
Through the transition period when I was Soli out for examining purposes and helping colleagues sort out licensing issues I was pretty much on top of all of this but now we’re all uk not so much.
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Hi guys,
Just had a look at the various licence conversion routes on the CAA website and, as an EASA "Frozen" ATPL(A) holder, I would say I have to go for Route 6 if I want to get the UK CAA equivalent licence. My situation:
- no UK licence previously held
- I completed the EASA ATPL(A) theoretical knowledge in 2018 (plus the practical part - CPL/IR-PBN SE & ME - in 2019)
- current IR (expires on September this year)
- 1000 hrs (from yesterday afternoon
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The only thing is that, on their website, it is just written "Route 6 – EASA ATPL(A)", which could be interpreted as a full EASA ATPL(A) (with at least 1500hrs etc.).
I am going to drop them an email, but meanwhile does anybody here know if this route is valid for Frozen ATPLs as well?
Many thanks
Just had a look at the various licence conversion routes on the CAA website and, as an EASA "Frozen" ATPL(A) holder, I would say I have to go for Route 6 if I want to get the UK CAA equivalent licence. My situation:
- no UK licence previously held
- I completed the EASA ATPL(A) theoretical knowledge in 2018 (plus the practical part - CPL/IR-PBN SE & ME - in 2019)
- current IR (expires on September this year)
- 1000 hrs (from yesterday afternoon
)The only thing is that, on their website, it is just written "Route 6 – EASA ATPL(A)", which could be interpreted as a full EASA ATPL(A) (with at least 1500hrs etc.).
I am going to drop them an email, but meanwhile does anybody here know if this route is valid for Frozen ATPLs as well?
Many thanks
I’d say you’re a Route 4 as you currently hold an EASA CPL, albeit with ATPL theoretical knowledge credits. Good luck.
Edited to add that although CAA refers to a ‘frozen ATPL’ I can’t find a conversion route. Whatever it says on your EASA licence (currently CPL) is what you will get from the CAA and then when you have the hours you can convert your CPL to ATPL.
Edited to add that although CAA refers to a ‘frozen ATPL’ I can’t find a conversion route. Whatever it says on your EASA licence (currently CPL) is what you will get from the CAA and then when you have the hours you can convert your CPL to ATPL.
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Thanks deltahotel... bad news then 
and a complete nonsense "made in CAA" if I understand the "Routes" correctly: so, an ATPL guy who has not revalidated his IR for - let's say - 6 years can convert it without having to pass the ATPL Theory, whereas a CPL with a current IR who passed the same ATPL Theory let's assume 3 years ago must complete the CPL (or ATPL) Theory again? I'm lost...
and a complete nonsense "made in CAA" if I understand the "Routes" correctly: so, an ATPL guy who has not revalidated his IR for - let's say - 6 years can convert it without having to pass the ATPL Theory, whereas a CPL with a current IR who passed the same ATPL Theory let's assume 3 years ago must complete the CPL (or ATPL) Theory again? I'm lost...
There are some weird ones that don’t seem to make sense, so feel free to contact CAA and get a different answer - I’d be delighted! Are you in employment that would allow you to complete EASA ATPL and then convert via Route 6?
Edit to add that although I had a fair amount of expertise in licensing over the transition period, less so now and my opinions are just those from reading CAA.co.uk and its impenetrable wording. Ultimately everyone’s going to have to go FCLweb to get an individual judgement on how to apply/convert. Good luck to all.
Edit to add that although I had a fair amount of expertise in licensing over the transition period, less so now and my opinions are just those from reading CAA.co.uk and its impenetrable wording. Ultimately everyone’s going to have to go FCLweb to get an individual judgement on how to apply/convert. Good luck to all.
Last edited by deltahotel; 26th Mar 2023 at 21:34.
