Delta Crew Attitude
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Delta Crew Attitude
I was visiting a former American client of mine in London today. We met in the lobby of the Harrington Hotel at about 1300 and as we were leaving a Delta crew arrived. Two of them came in before we got to the door but the rest came in as we held the door open for them for about a minute.
Two pilots and eight cabin crew passed through in that minute and not one of them had the basic manners to say thank you. I shouldn't be surprised as that is pretty much in line with the service I have generally received on Trans Atlantic flights with US carriers over the years.
Just thought I would share that, especially with any VS or BA crew on the forum who are generaly at the opposite end of the service scale.
Two pilots and eight cabin crew passed through in that minute and not one of them had the basic manners to say thank you. I shouldn't be surprised as that is pretty much in line with the service I have generally received on Trans Atlantic flights with US carriers over the years.
Just thought I would share that, especially with any VS or BA crew on the forum who are generaly at the opposite end of the service scale.
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It is indeed shameful and having experienced the same thing (more than a few times) including the service from their KLM counterparts in Amsterdam (who are equally rude and arrogant - indeed a perfect alliance), I now vote with my feet and don't fly them at all.
Do the same. Vote with your feet. If the US legacy carriers don't get their act together soon they will soon go the way of the car companies.
Do the same. Vote with your feet. If the US legacy carriers don't get their act together soon they will soon go the way of the car companies.
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I for one would like to apologies for all rude American aircrew. Delta used to be one of my favorite to fly "company" on, they were the most likely to upgrade me when they saw I was repositioning.
As I understand with the NWA merger much Delta MGT is now NWA, NWA was an ugly demise, the bitterness during their hard times was evident (union busting, hardcore tactics). TSA mandates that allow a FA to call for an airmarshall if you complain about the brand of peanuts or other services provided. A standard of empowerment combined with a feeling of company impotence is certainly at hand. (exaggeration and sarcasm should be respected in this post, to an extent)
As I understand with the NWA merger much Delta MGT is now NWA, NWA was an ugly demise, the bitterness during their hard times was evident (union busting, hardcore tactics). TSA mandates that allow a FA to call for an airmarshall if you complain about the brand of peanuts or other services provided. A standard of empowerment combined with a feeling of company impotence is certainly at hand. (exaggeration and sarcasm should be respected in this post, to an extent)
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Well it just goes to show how experiences can vary. I've flown Delta 17 times in the last year (USA, Atlantic) and none of the crew were rude, off-hand or dismissive. Okay they weren't particularly friendly either.
Best experiences were BA and KLM !
Best experiences were BA and KLM !
I'll chip in my experiences - US carriers [AA UA Delta]: poor service, poor cc, overall poor flight. BA: When good, very good, when poor - hopeless, but still better than US carriers.
In my experience, all US carriers have gone down over the last 20 years. But without doubt, the worst US carrier for me has been US Air - or Useless Air. I rate them the same as Ryanair.
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Maybe it is in the perception of the person flying. Maybe it is just chance of the draw. I have had very nice treatment from most airlines on which I have flown, and been treated like pond scum on other flights on the same airline. The only one that stood out as being treated so bad I refused to fly again if my company travel agency booked me on them was British Airways. Paris to the UK - short flight, get a little PO'd and brush it off, but Heathrow to Osaka and have to live with FA's who treat you like crap there and back - it was easy to say I will just fly to Amsterdam and make my Japan trips on KLM instead.
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My last 2 flights back to the UK have been with Delta and BA, both in economy and having been an advocate for BA in the past I found the Delta crew better in just about every way.
Maybe the crew came from New York which has just been voted the rudest city in the US!
Maybe the crew came from New York which has just been voted the rudest city in the US!
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US carriers were never the best but at one time they were OK. About 10 years ago they started to go downhill fast and I stopped flying with them. Only flew with them once since and that was only because of a flight cancellation and a reroute with Delta. This was in Business and in all fairness the crew were OK. I particularly liked the large pillow and the duvet. The aircraft was old and tired, as was the IFE. The experience wasn't bad but it wasn't good enough either to make me consider booking with them in the future.
In the early 90s, American Airlines was better than BA on trans atlantic routes. Not now. But the way the employee conditions and pay have been jerked around, it's hardly surprising. Regrettably, those at the top never seem to stop getting big pay awards and bonuses.
BA appears to want to go to Ryanair service at traditional BA prices, which seems to be one thing that really upsets the staff. Surprising as some here may find it, there are a lot of BA staff who take a pride in doing their job and looking after customers, only to be frustrated by management.
BA appears to want to go to Ryanair service at traditional BA prices, which seems to be one thing that really upsets the staff. Surprising as some here may find it, there are a lot of BA staff who take a pride in doing their job and looking after customers, only to be frustrated by management.
ragend - I know this doesn't really contribute to the debate, but I totally agree with you. A few years ago I had a flight to Canada which necessitated a return to Shannon [med emergency] and a diversion to Montreal [fog in Toronto] and the cc were fantastic thoroughout, helped by the flight-deck, who informed everyone what was happening and why. We finally arrived in Toronto 24 hours late [after a stay in a hotel provided by BA] and because of the constant flow of information and the cc who had to adapt due to the constantly changing situation, none of the pax had any cause to complain.
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US carriers were never the best but at one time they were OK
Really? They set the standard!! Now they are setting a all new set of standards...
Appearance, conduct, quality meals and service on every flight it was.
We are now treated like animals in a ZOO, they feed us peanuts and if you act up at the least you will be tazered by the zoo keeper. Granted I do not condone dissonantly conduct.. To an extent.
About 5 years ago, I flew America West from Phoenix to Minneapolis. CC comes round with the trolley.
'Ja wanna drink?'
'If you please, may I have a Club Soda?'
'Waddya mean if you please? Are you tryin' to piss me off?'
Later that same trip, I'm waiting for the AW flight from San Diego to Phoenix that connected into the BA flight to London. (Before US Air took AW). It's late, so 'Come to the desk for your re-routing' (proounced 'rerowting') So I stood in the line in front of the desk and when I get there, she asks
'What's your final destination tonight sir?'
'London Heathrow' says I.
Her immediate response was 'Oh sh*t!' Just out loud, just like that.
When we got to Phoenix at 1900, we were of course at the opposite end of the airport to the gate BA goes from. Anyone who knows Phoenix Sky Harbor airport knows how far it is. There were two of us for the connection and they had sent an electric buggy for us. But the batteries were low and at a place where there was an incline, we had to get off and push!
Get to the BA Boarding Area: they said, 'Glad you've arrived. They are getting your bags over, we've held the departure for you'. - it was 1920 and departure time was 1915.
And then.......'Mr Radeng, you've been upgraded'.
We pushed back at 1930 and yes, the bag did make it.
I doubt any US airline would have bothered.
'Ja wanna drink?'
'If you please, may I have a Club Soda?'
'Waddya mean if you please? Are you tryin' to piss me off?'
Later that same trip, I'm waiting for the AW flight from San Diego to Phoenix that connected into the BA flight to London. (Before US Air took AW). It's late, so 'Come to the desk for your re-routing' (proounced 'rerowting') So I stood in the line in front of the desk and when I get there, she asks
'What's your final destination tonight sir?'
'London Heathrow' says I.
Her immediate response was 'Oh sh*t!' Just out loud, just like that.
When we got to Phoenix at 1900, we were of course at the opposite end of the airport to the gate BA goes from. Anyone who knows Phoenix Sky Harbor airport knows how far it is. There were two of us for the connection and they had sent an electric buggy for us. But the batteries were low and at a place where there was an incline, we had to get off and push!
Get to the BA Boarding Area: they said, 'Glad you've arrived. They are getting your bags over, we've held the departure for you'. - it was 1920 and departure time was 1915.
And then.......'Mr Radeng, you've been upgraded'.
We pushed back at 1930 and yes, the bag did make it.
I doubt any US airline would have bothered.
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Really? They set the standard!!
Arguably the standards were set by Pan Am a long time ago - and began to deteriorate rapidly after their demise.
I have memories of Pan Am from the 70s both Transatlantic and down the Caribbean chain from Miami to Trinidad. Even then I would have chosen BOAC over Pan Am (or TWA) any day.