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Old 13th May 2023, 05:24
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Originally Posted by Car RAMROD
is this the red bull stunt that didn’t get permission, and both pilots had their licenses pulled by the FAA?
or something like that? I didn’t keep up to date, only snippets, so I’m not sure what happened with all of that.


if so, sounds very meticulous. Just about on par with each other, just one had a bigger budget and more players.
It was meticulously planned, you're talking about 2 C182 specifically modified for this stunt with two experienced Pilots/Skydivers, with the ground crew keeping the area clear in an area they'd thoroughly checked out to start with to ensure no one lived there or anything like that along with actually attempting to get proper permission. They just went ahead and did it without the proper permission. Nowhere near the same as a dude taking a crap box for a flight and jumping out somewhere then trying to dispose of the evidence afterwards and lieing about it.

As I said, both are against the law but to very different degrees, and is why one is facing very large jail time and the others just had their licenses yanked and are therefore not on par with each other.
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Old 13th May 2023, 22:05
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Originally Posted by Lead Balloon
Thank you for making my point.
Did he? In which of your parallel universes did that happen?
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Old 14th May 2023, 01:37
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I realise it makes lots of people feel very important being able to deal with and pontificate upon the enormous complexities and incredible risks involved in – gasp – aviation. But we are here talking about an aircraft that weighs less than half the weight of an average family car, is less than a tenth of the complexity of an average family car, could be flown solo by a 16 year old student pilot, had no passengers on board and was deliberately crashed in a carefully chosen remote location on a gin-clear day, injuring no one.

Oh the humanity.

Stupid and criminal and a waste of a perfectly good aircraft? Yes.

20 years’ prison? Gimmee a break. This guy was nearly three times the legal blood alcohol limit when he crashed his car doing 200 kilometres per hour on the freeway, killing his son and severely injuring his partner. He was sentenced to less than 10 years in prison and will be eligible for parole after serving a minimum of 7 years and 9 months.

(Cue the nightmare scenario involving a deadly Taylorcraft BL-65 drifting, unpiloted, across LAX airspace, bringing down Air Force One into a kindergarten, incinerating 100 children, when the media stunt goes horribly wrong…)
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Old 14th May 2023, 04:55
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And if he'd intentionally crashed a car, it could have led to the death, or serious injury, of innocent bystanders. But I'll bet leftie that he wouldn't go to prison for 20 years if he'd intentionally crashed a car
The potential 20 years is not for staging the crash, it's for the destruction of evidence and and lying to the FBI. The crashing had been dealt with by revocation of his license previously.
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Old 14th May 2023, 05:32
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Originally Posted by Lead Balloon
I realise it makes lots of people feel very important being able to deal with and pontificate upon the enormous complexities and incredible risks involved in – gasp – aviation. But we are here talking about an aircraft that weighs less than half the weight of an average family car, is less than a tenth of the complexity of an average family car, could be flown solo by a 16 year old student pilot, had no passengers on board and was deliberately crashed in a carefully chosen remote location on a gin-clear day, injuring no one.

Oh the humanity.

Stupid and criminal and a waste of a perfectly good aircraft? Yes.

20 years’ prison? Gimmee a break. This guy was nearly three times the legal blood alcohol limit when he crashed his car doing 200 kilometres per hour on the freeway, killing his son and severely injuring his partner. He was sentenced to less than 10 years in prison and will be eligible for parole after serving a minimum of 7 years and 9 months.

(Cue the nightmare scenario involving a deadly Taylorcraft BL-65 drifting, unpiloted, across LAX airspace, bringing down Air Force One into a kindergarten, incinerating 100 children, when the media stunt goes horribly wrong…)
Agree entirely. It was a victimless crime.
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Old 14th May 2023, 06:36
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Originally Posted by megan
The potential 20 years is not for staging the crash, it's for the destruction of evidence and and lying to the FBI. The crashing had been dealt with by revocation of his license previously.
If he'd staged a crash in a Morris Minor - a car of about the same weight and vintage as a Taylorcraft BL-65 - as a media stunt, then destroyed evidence, lied to police and made a fraudulent claim on the insurance, I don't think he'd be facing 20 years in prison. Depending on his antecedents, I reckon he'd cop a large fine and a short, probably suspended, sentence.
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Old 14th May 2023, 06:56
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All this talk of 20 years is just so much hyperbole. The guy is a dumbskull who pulled a stupid stunt. He's not an axe murderer.
The plea bargaining arrangement has been posted for all to read. It clearly spells out what is to be expected re sentencing.

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Old 14th May 2023, 06:59
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Lead Balloon Chronic Snoozer as others mentioned, whilst no one was hurt and it seems like a lot, this guy lied to the FBI and the FAA, 2 separate Federal Organisations, not to mention I'm sure they're keen to send a very strong message to dissuade others from doing the same thing and he showed very little remorse for what he did which often just pisses them off even more.
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Old 14th May 2023, 07:40
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I see your point. If he goes to prison for 'only' 5 years I'll be out there, tomorrow, doing my own media stunts and lying to 'federal organisations' and showing no remorse.
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Old 14th May 2023, 08:52
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I see your point. If he goes to prison for 'only' 5 years I'll be out there, tomorrow, doing my own media stunts and lying to 'federal organisations' and showing no remorse.
I dunno. Anything over three years keeps me well behaved.
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Old 14th May 2023, 15:18
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For those who can't (or won't) read the entire lengthy Plea Agreement, the deal they've made is on Page 12.

In plain English, it says the prosecution will be happy with anything over 18 months, and the defence will be happy with anything less than 24 months. These are the terms under which the guilty plea was entered.

In cases where there is mutual agreement, judges like to play Solomon and saw things off in the middle, so don't be surprised if he gets 21 months.

Apparently the prosecuting attorney feels 18 months is enough to "send a very strong message to dissuade others".

For anyone who thinks 18 months in jail is a piece of cake, try it sometime. I'll wager your opinion will have changed by the end of your stay as a guest of the government.
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Old 15th May 2023, 00:39
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Thanks Zombywoof. Makes sense and seems a reasonable deterrent to others.
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Old 15th May 2023, 10:22
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For anyone who thinks 18 months in jail is a piece of cake, try it sometime. I'll wager your opinion will have changed by the end of your stay as a guest of the government.
And especially if, as I once read somewhere, that your Cellmate is a 22 stone, shaven headed male named "Bubba' who has certain preferences when it comes to 'matters sexual'.
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Old 15th May 2023, 11:02
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I’ve been in and out of jail many times and I’d prefer not to be there, on the correct side of the thin blue line. Some of the long term inmates seem to love it. I guess they have no choice. Free board and food, can’t ask for much more when you’re down and out in life.
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Originally Posted by Pinky the pilot
your Cellmate is a 22 stone, shaven headed male named "Bubba'
... who snores.

Losing the ability to control your environment is not something to be taken lightly. The guy may end up in the softest jail in the USA, but you can bet he is going to be VERY sorry for what he did. All for a few bucks and some Youtube likes. Madness takes its toll.
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Old 16th May 2023, 03:22
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I haven't read the documents but I'm assuming it'll be a federal prison too. If I've heard correctly they really don't offer early parole, so he's likely to serve close to the full sentence...

...not to mention the risk of getting his cheeks busted or his wig split!
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For those amongst us who may be interested in exploring this one 'further', may I recommend You Tube, the 'Blancolirio' channel, Mr Juan Browne presenting.

He seems to give a very factual description of events, and also quotes a few other matters, such as, deliberately crashing an aircraft into a State Forest, with the potential for starting a 'wildfire', all for the purpose - allegedly - of increasing his on-line audience to promote a..... wait for it....wallet.

Worth the look.

p.s. Mr Pinky, HHMMmmmm.......
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Old 16th May 2023, 22:52
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If I've heard correctly they really don't offer early parole, so he's likely to serve close to the full sentence...
It's said elsewhere that for a federal offence a minimum of 85% of the sentence must be served.
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Old 17th May 2023, 07:51
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So, what's the consensus? How long does everyone think this ****wit should be locked up? Or not? Good behaviour bond? Tap on the wrist and naughty boy?

The bloke is a dead**** and it's a pity that a bit of natural selection didn't occur here.
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So, what's the consensus?
I agree with Chronic Snoozer, I think the plea agreement is reasonable. What do you think? (I can guess, from the tone of your post).
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