Trike Accident Yarrawonga
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Typical thread on prune, turns to poo in short time. This one's lacking in Dick bashing so far but give it time I suppose.
If it's such a worry to you why don't you go and ask the bloke your talking about? Too hard? Rather speculate and anonymously character assassinate?
I have worked out of Yarrawonga more than a few times and never had any problem from anybody there including the bloke that some of you whinge about. He would have to fly more hours than anybody that's on prune, is that what some of you are jealous about?
If it's such a worry to you why don't you go and ask the bloke your talking about? Too hard? Rather speculate and anonymously character assassinate?
I have worked out of Yarrawonga more than a few times and never had any problem from anybody there including the bloke that some of you whinge about. He would have to fly more hours than anybody that's on prune, is that what some of you are jealous about?
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i dont get it either, i get a few messages telling me the activities in some pics i post are illegal, and then being told how much of an idiot i am for firstly doing, then posting such stuff. i especially love the part how its going to invite the wrath of CASA.
Its almost like everyone here assumes most pilots only hold a PPL and has no flying experience other than the basic PPL training, and no hours since.. what ever happened to giving benefit of doubt, is it any wonder CASA and the industry is the way it is with so much infighting, allegations based on nothing but a photo, and what appears to be a total lack of understanding of the rules that govern our industry. based on my experiences solely through PPrune, i will assume that everyone on here (i dont know) only holds a PPL, and is scared of anything other than straight and level, even clouds, and learnt absolutely nothing during the air law component of their training..
If someone states they have Military flight experience, then i will believe them, unless something proves otherwise, be it lack of proof through logbook if im going to fly with them, or a flying style that goes against what i have seen of the military side of aviation training and techniques
Its almost like everyone here assumes most pilots only hold a PPL and has no flying experience other than the basic PPL training, and no hours since.. what ever happened to giving benefit of doubt, is it any wonder CASA and the industry is the way it is with so much infighting, allegations based on nothing but a photo, and what appears to be a total lack of understanding of the rules that govern our industry. based on my experiences solely through PPrune, i will assume that everyone on here (i dont know) only holds a PPL, and is scared of anything other than straight and level, even clouds, and learnt absolutely nothing during the air law component of their training..
If someone states they have Military flight experience, then i will believe them, unless something proves otherwise, be it lack of proof through logbook if im going to fly with them, or a flying style that goes against what i have seen of the military side of aviation training and techniques
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Faaark!! It's an open bulletin board, anyone can join from an 8 year old gamer to a mentally insane homeless person with internet access. The owners want as many members as possible so they can sell advertising. If anybody takes anything posted on here as serious I reckon you fit into the latter whether you're homeless or not.
Ultralights, when you get the PM's do you laugh them off or worry yourself sick over a possible call from CASA? I would reply to them with a direct contact number to a CASA FOI.
Ultralights, when you get the PM's do you laugh them off or worry yourself sick over a possible call from CASA? I would reply to them with a direct contact number to a CASA FOI.
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always laugh them off, dont even bother replying, i know what im doing is legal and so do those that matter, and thats the end of it.
How did all this come about from the trike accident? is it know that those involved weren't licensed? or the CFI? or is it all just here say?
How did all this come about from the trike accident? is it know that those involved weren't licensed? or the CFI? or is it all just here say?
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Don't get me wrong here Super Cecil, I'm not having a dig at the bloke in any way. In fact, I thought my posts were, if anything, supportive of his military experience. His experience (in particular on trikes) and instructional capabilities are well known and highly respected but it's what happens (sometimes) away from the the controlled environment of a watchful eye that turns things pearshape. It would appear from the newspaper articles provided that he's unfortunately had some direct experience in that regard as evidenced by the Temora accident.
XT starts this thread with information regarding a formation Trike flight overhead Yarrawonga and subsequent formation landing along with some concerns raised in this regard. Now maybe he saw this, which would be evidence, as he also provides some information regarding a formation landing on the newly opened ultralight strip and provides some (formation) positional information regarding the pilot involved at time of impact.
If formation (or even just normal) trike flying over the township is occurring and an accident were to happen involving loss of life overhead a closely populated area I'm fairly confident there would be a whole stack of legalities to be addressed at Coronial standard and from there it would probably go down hill fast.
When I stated.....
The suggestion that I was making was perhaps if one looks at the collective big picture of why trike accidents occur (which usually have nothing to do with the construction or structural composition of the aircraft) it might be timely, if it hasn't already been done, to review this and if something unsafe, illegal or downright stupid was knowingly or inadvertently occurring, put a stop to it before it gets a whole lot worse. God knows we've all made mistakes and what better way to improve then through survived error and lessons learned.
With regards to the military flight experience, quite some time ago now, I did my aerobatic, spinning and other endorsements with instructors who were primarily all ex RAAF QFI's. I know that UL has had the same experience at the same place and aside from some improvements with aircraft types, nothing much has changed and so like him, I also believe people who tell me they've got military flight experience unless something comes to light to prove otherwise. Now I should point out that I knew about these instructors and their capabilities before I went there as it was marketed in that regard.
I was just speculating that aside from the brief comment on the YFT website (and a post on YouTube) there is nothing further supportive of the military flying anywhere, that's all. Surely his business could only benefit from a marketing standpoint with just a bit more information in this regard. I made these comments with the intention of being a help, not a hindrance.
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XT starts this thread with information regarding a formation Trike flight overhead Yarrawonga and subsequent formation landing along with some concerns raised in this regard. Now maybe he saw this, which would be evidence, as he also provides some information regarding a formation landing on the newly opened ultralight strip and provides some (formation) positional information regarding the pilot involved at time of impact.
If formation (or even just normal) trike flying over the township is occurring and an accident were to happen involving loss of life overhead a closely populated area I'm fairly confident there would be a whole stack of legalities to be addressed at Coronial standard and from there it would probably go down hill fast.
When I stated.....
A good skill set with the right aircraft in the right location and at the right altitude but maybe it might be time to seriously review that practice taking into account the prevailing circumstances...
What's that thing about holes and swiss cheese?
What's that thing about holes and swiss cheese?
With regards to the military flight experience, quite some time ago now, I did my aerobatic, spinning and other endorsements with instructors who were primarily all ex RAAF QFI's. I know that UL has had the same experience at the same place and aside from some improvements with aircraft types, nothing much has changed and so like him, I also believe people who tell me they've got military flight experience unless something comes to light to prove otherwise. Now I should point out that I knew about these instructors and their capabilities before I went there as it was marketed in that regard.
I was just speculating that aside from the brief comment on the YFT website (and a post on YouTube) there is nothing further supportive of the military flying anywhere, that's all. Surely his business could only benefit from a marketing standpoint with just a bit more information in this regard. I made these comments with the intention of being a help, not a hindrance.
Stiky
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