Merged: New rules for non-controlled aerodromes
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Merged: New rules for non-controlled aerodromes
As you know, new rules regarding minimum required calls for operations in non controlled aerodromes are due to come into effect in early 2009.
At a minimum, radio calls will be required:
At a minimum, radio calls will be required:
- When the aircraft enters the "vicinity of an aerodrome"
- Immediately before joining the circuit pattern or, in the case of a straight-in approach, at least 5 nm from the threshold of the runway
- Immediately before, or during, taxiing
- Immediately before entering a runway.
New rules relating to minimum required calls by pilots operating at and in the vicinity of all non-controlled aerodromes will be finalised and introduced in the first quarter of 2009. The rules will replace current regulations which stipulate mandatory calls at designated non-controlled aerodromes, known as CTAF(R) aerodromes, and for straight-in approaches at all non-controlled aerodromes.
The rules will ensure pilots of radio-equipped aircraft operating at and in the vicinity of all non-controlled aerodromes make the radio broadcasts that are necessary to ensure ongoing safety.
These rules will be designed to establish safety outcomes and provide consistency in radio use. The decision to finalise these rules has been made following extensive consultation with members of the aviation industry and a thorough analysis of current operating arrangements.
The decision also follows recommendations made by a study commissioned by the Office of Airspace Regulation to look at the relative safety benefits of CTAF versus CTAF(R).
The study has made several recommendations pertaining to operations at non-controlled aerodromes, including the recommendation that a limited number of radio calls be mandated.
The CASR Part 91 Control Board was also asked to review recommendations relating to radio calls, made as part of a National Airspace System (NAS) 2c post -implementation review conducted in 2006 to provide advice to CASA on what radio calls should be made.
CASA also sought advice from the Standards Consultative Committee (SCC) through two sub-committees: the Operational Standards Sub-committee and the Airspace and Infrastructure Users Group.
CASA’s priority is the safety of passenger transport operations. CASA is confident the decision to mandate minimum required radio calls in the regulations will provide guidance and consistency to pilots and ensure passenger safety is maintained.
From early 2009, pilots of radio equipped aircraft will be required to make the radio calls that are necessary for safety purposes when operating at or in the vicinity of a non-controlled aerodrome.
At a minimum, radio calls will be required:
This rule will apply not only to aircraft that are inbound to the aerodrome, but also to aircraft that are overflying the aerodrome or simply transiting through this airspace, if the aerodrome is depicted in the aeronautical charts and the aircraft is flying at a height that could put it in conflict with aerodrome traffic.
The regulations, aeronautical information publications and industry education publications will all be updated to ensure they contain consistent requirements and advice on radio broadcasts at non-controlled aerodromes.
A Notice of Final Rule Making (NFRM) will be issued as soon as legal drafting can be completed, with the expectation that the new rules will be introduced in early 2009.
CASA will provide extensive training and education for pilots on the new rules, prior to their introduction.
The rules will ensure pilots of radio-equipped aircraft operating at and in the vicinity of all non-controlled aerodromes make the radio broadcasts that are necessary to ensure ongoing safety.
These rules will be designed to establish safety outcomes and provide consistency in radio use. The decision to finalise these rules has been made following extensive consultation with members of the aviation industry and a thorough analysis of current operating arrangements.
The decision also follows recommendations made by a study commissioned by the Office of Airspace Regulation to look at the relative safety benefits of CTAF versus CTAF(R).
The study has made several recommendations pertaining to operations at non-controlled aerodromes, including the recommendation that a limited number of radio calls be mandated.
The CASR Part 91 Control Board was also asked to review recommendations relating to radio calls, made as part of a National Airspace System (NAS) 2c post -implementation review conducted in 2006 to provide advice to CASA on what radio calls should be made.
CASA also sought advice from the Standards Consultative Committee (SCC) through two sub-committees: the Operational Standards Sub-committee and the Airspace and Infrastructure Users Group.
CASA’s priority is the safety of passenger transport operations. CASA is confident the decision to mandate minimum required radio calls in the regulations will provide guidance and consistency to pilots and ensure passenger safety is maintained.
From early 2009, pilots of radio equipped aircraft will be required to make the radio calls that are necessary for safety purposes when operating at or in the vicinity of a non-controlled aerodrome.
At a minimum, radio calls will be required:
- When the aircraft enters the "vicinity of an aerodrome"
- Immediately before joining the circuit pattern or, in the case of a straight-in approach, at least 5 nm from the threshold of the runway
- Immediately before, or during, taxiing
- Immediately before entering a runway.
This rule will apply not only to aircraft that are inbound to the aerodrome, but also to aircraft that are overflying the aerodrome or simply transiting through this airspace, if the aerodrome is depicted in the aeronautical charts and the aircraft is flying at a height that could put it in conflict with aerodrome traffic.
The regulations, aeronautical information publications and industry education publications will all be updated to ensure they contain consistent requirements and advice on radio broadcasts at non-controlled aerodromes.
A Notice of Final Rule Making (NFRM) will be issued as soon as legal drafting can be completed, with the expectation that the new rules will be introduced in early 2009.
CASA will provide extensive training and education for pilots on the new rules, prior to their introduction.
Maybe they should rename it something to reflect the situation.
I have an idea, how about "Mandatory Broadcast Zone"?
Seriously, though, I think the "required" broadcasts should be kept to an absolute minimum, and let airmanship dictate the others.
I would suggest 10nm (or 5min, although I can live with 8), downwind with intentions (only if other than full stop), before entering a runway, and when the likelihood of a conflict arises.
Keep it simple and people will comply.
I have an idea, how about "Mandatory Broadcast Zone"?
Seriously, though, I think the "required" broadcasts should be kept to an absolute minimum, and let airmanship dictate the others.
I would suggest 10nm (or 5min, although I can live with 8), downwind with intentions (only if other than full stop), before entering a runway, and when the likelihood of a conflict arises.
Keep it simple and people will comply.
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Well I know that departure calls have not been mandotory for some time now. Never hurts to give one if you can though to aid in seperation from inbound/transiting aircraft. As for the circuit position calls - even if they are not mandatory I believe we should all still use them and show good airmanship. In short, use your own common sense and give appropriate calls in addition to the mandatory ones when the situation requires it.
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CASA Reverses NAS
Well, Dick.
Seems CASA no longer dances to your tune.
New CTAF Rules announced:
New rules for pilots operating at non-controlled aerodromes
New rules relating to minimum required calls by pilots operating at and in the vicinity of all non-controlled aerodromes will be finalised and introduced in the first quarter of 2009.
The rules will replace current regulations which stipulate mandatory calls at designated non-controlled aerodromes, known as CTAF(R) aerodromes, and for straight-in approaches at all non-controlled aerodromes.
The rules will ensure pilots of radio-equipped aircraft operating at and in the vicinity of all non-controlled aerodromes make the radio broadcasts that are necessary to ensure ongoing safety.
These rules will be designed to establish safety outcomes and provide consistency in radio use. The decision to finalise these rules has been made following extensive consultation with members of the aviation industry and a thorough analysis of current operating arrangements.
The decision also follows recommendations made by a study commissioned by the Office of Airspace Regulation to look at the relative safety benefits of CTAF versus CTAF(R).
The study has made several recommendations pertaining to operations at non-controlled aerodromes, including the recommendation that a limited number of radio calls be mandated.
The CASR Part 91 Control Board was also asked to review recommendations relating to radio calls, made as part of a National Airspace System (NAS) 2c post -implementation review conducted in 2006 to provide advice to CASA on what radio calls should be made.
CASA also sought advice from the Standards Consultative Committee (SCC) through two sub-committees: the Operational Standards Sub-committee and the Airspace and Infrastructure Users Group.
CASA’s priority is the safety of passenger transport operations. CASA is confident the decision to mandate minimum required radio calls in the regulations will provide guidance and consistency to pilots and ensure passenger safety is maintained.
From early 2009, pilots of radio equipped aircraft will be required to make the radio calls that are necessary for safety purposes when operating at or in the vicinity of a non-controlled aerodrome.
At a minimum, radio calls will be required:
This rule will apply not only to aircraft that are inbound to the aerodrome, but also to aircraft that are overflying the aerodrome or simply transiting through this airspace, if the aerodrome is depicted in the aeronautical charts and the aircraft is flying at a height that could put it in conflict with aerodrome traffic.
The regulations, aeronautical information publications and industry education publications will all be updated to ensure they contain consistent requirements and advice on radio broadcasts at non-controlled aerodromes.
A Notice of Final Rule Making (NFRM) will be issued as soon as legal drafting can be completed, with the expectation that the new rules will be introduced in early 2009.
CASA will provide extensive training and education for pilots on the new rules, prior to their introduction.
Seems CASA no longer dances to your tune.
New CTAF Rules announced:
New rules for pilots operating at non-controlled aerodromes
New rules relating to minimum required calls by pilots operating at and in the vicinity of all non-controlled aerodromes will be finalised and introduced in the first quarter of 2009.
The rules will replace current regulations which stipulate mandatory calls at designated non-controlled aerodromes, known as CTAF(R) aerodromes, and for straight-in approaches at all non-controlled aerodromes.
The rules will ensure pilots of radio-equipped aircraft operating at and in the vicinity of all non-controlled aerodromes make the radio broadcasts that are necessary to ensure ongoing safety.
These rules will be designed to establish safety outcomes and provide consistency in radio use. The decision to finalise these rules has been made following extensive consultation with members of the aviation industry and a thorough analysis of current operating arrangements.
The decision also follows recommendations made by a study commissioned by the Office of Airspace Regulation to look at the relative safety benefits of CTAF versus CTAF(R).
The study has made several recommendations pertaining to operations at non-controlled aerodromes, including the recommendation that a limited number of radio calls be mandated.
The CASR Part 91 Control Board was also asked to review recommendations relating to radio calls, made as part of a National Airspace System (NAS) 2c post -implementation review conducted in 2006 to provide advice to CASA on what radio calls should be made.
CASA also sought advice from the Standards Consultative Committee (SCC) through two sub-committees: the Operational Standards Sub-committee and the Airspace and Infrastructure Users Group.
CASA’s priority is the safety of passenger transport operations. CASA is confident the decision to mandate minimum required radio calls in the regulations will provide guidance and consistency to pilots and ensure passenger safety is maintained.
From early 2009, pilots of radio equipped aircraft will be required to make the radio calls that are necessary for safety purposes when operating at or in the vicinity of a non-controlled aerodrome.
At a minimum, radio calls will be required:
- When the aircraft enters the "vicinity of an aerodrome"
- Immediately before joining the circuit pattern or, in the case of a straight-in approach, at least 5 nm from the threshold of the runway
- Immediately before, or during, taxiing
- Immediately before entering a runway.
This rule will apply not only to aircraft that are inbound to the aerodrome, but also to aircraft that are overflying the aerodrome or simply transiting through this airspace, if the aerodrome is depicted in the aeronautical charts and the aircraft is flying at a height that could put it in conflict with aerodrome traffic.
The regulations, aeronautical information publications and industry education publications will all be updated to ensure they contain consistent requirements and advice on radio broadcasts at non-controlled aerodromes.
A Notice of Final Rule Making (NFRM) will be issued as soon as legal drafting can be completed, with the expectation that the new rules will be introduced in early 2009.
CASA will provide extensive training and education for pilots on the new rules, prior to their introduction.
Isn't is good to see CASA has finally settled on a set of radio calls until they finally settle on some different radio calls in the not too distant future no doubt. There hands must surely tremble when they collect their pay each week.
Don't tell me those particularly sensible guidelines of calling on every leg of the circuit have been countermanded!?
Could it be there's been an unauthorised outbreak of common sense?
Could it be there's been an unauthorised outbreak of common sense?
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The boffins can change the rules all they like, not too may say it word perfect or at the correct time anyway. 8mins or 10nm whichever comes first? Great EN-AV 28 nm around 8 mins for us (B200) so I'll have to call the AV CTAF/R just as I rotate! And for MB from EN? well before I even leave the ramp !
As has been said, use common sense & let the rule makers 'think' they know what their doing!
To all the W/E warriors a call at say 10 nm & joing the circuit at least is very much appreciated, after that you can't be anymore than a couple of miles away from me anyway & you won't miss the flying KFC box.
CW
As has been said, use common sense & let the rule makers 'think' they know what their doing!
To all the W/E warriors a call at say 10 nm & joing the circuit at least is very much appreciated, after that you can't be anymore than a couple of miles away from me anyway & you won't miss the flying KFC box.
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Is it too cynical of me to say none of this really matters a toss?
The simple fact is that a well squared away pilot is the type who already gives substantial radio calls when in or about a CTAF (regardless of whether it's (R)) and certainly provides sufficient info on his/her position and intentions to allow other aircraft to safely deconflict.
On the other hand, pilots who cause the problems at uncontrolled aerodromes - the knobs who either don't bother to monitor/broadcast, who have such poor grasp of RTP or traffic separation that problems start to occur - these are the people who won't even bother to learn that there has been a change in procedures anyway!
CASA can change the musical chairs all it likes - there are good airmen and bad. That's the real difference between smooth, safe operations and an incident/accident. All this change of regulation business really achieves is to give CASA a different coloured rope with which to hang a transgressor.
Wow - am I really that bitter and twisted? Time to go out to the porch with mah rockin' chair and shotgun!
Icarus
The simple fact is that a well squared away pilot is the type who already gives substantial radio calls when in or about a CTAF (regardless of whether it's (R)) and certainly provides sufficient info on his/her position and intentions to allow other aircraft to safely deconflict.
On the other hand, pilots who cause the problems at uncontrolled aerodromes - the knobs who either don't bother to monitor/broadcast, who have such poor grasp of RTP or traffic separation that problems start to occur - these are the people who won't even bother to learn that there has been a change in procedures anyway!
CASA can change the musical chairs all it likes - there are good airmen and bad. That's the real difference between smooth, safe operations and an incident/accident. All this change of regulation business really achieves is to give CASA a different coloured rope with which to hang a transgressor.
Wow - am I really that bitter and twisted? Time to go out to the porch with mah rockin' chair and shotgun!
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Dopey?
Icarus53, you might also like to add the bloke who makes absolutely ALL the correct calls for the duty runway, but is landing on the reciprocal runway!!??
That took some mental adjustment [when he was finally sighted] and nearly destroyed a solo student's day.
G'day
That took some mental adjustment [when he was finally sighted] and nearly destroyed a solo student's day.
G'day
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"The simple fact is that a well squared away pilot is the type who already gives substantial radio calls when in or about a CTAF"
Giving substantial radio calls on the CTAF is not always useful. What's wrong with underdstanding and making the required calls and only making additional calls when required for traffic separation?
There are still far too many pilots making half a dozen inbound calls, then responding "XXX copied" to every broadcast from every other aircraft...
Giving substantial radio calls on the CTAF is not always useful. What's wrong with underdstanding and making the required calls and only making additional calls when required for traffic separation?
There are still far too many pilots making half a dozen inbound calls, then responding "XXX copied" to every broadcast from every other aircraft...
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I am with you on that one. sometimes it makes me laugh sometimes it frusterates the h..l out off me.
your somewere out bush and listning to like 126.7 and someone makes radio call
xyz is 20 miles inbound height intentions ac type etc.
than same thing 15 miles. 10 miles, 5 miles, o finaly old mate is in the circuit, he has probleby worked out he is the only one and will now shut up.
But no wait there is more, crosswind joining, than down wind, mid down wind, turning base, finals, short finals and i supose he has now landed.
O no there is one more to make, cleared runway so and so.
as for me i have been tempted sooo many times to say "shut the
up"
at least he is a keen pilot i supose. and i personaly could make a few more.
I like the bit in that casa statemend wich read something like, that all aircraft that are radio equiped.....
in other words dont worry about the guys in flying kite's
if they want to change someting for the better, get them radio fitted, and to do a course in how to use and talk on them.
that might make things a bit safer.
just my 2c worth
cheers
your somewere out bush and listning to like 126.7 and someone makes radio call
xyz is 20 miles inbound height intentions ac type etc.
than same thing 15 miles. 10 miles, 5 miles, o finaly old mate is in the circuit, he has probleby worked out he is the only one and will now shut up.
But no wait there is more, crosswind joining, than down wind, mid down wind, turning base, finals, short finals and i supose he has now landed.
O no there is one more to make, cleared runway so and so.
as for me i have been tempted sooo many times to say "shut the
up" at least he is a keen pilot i supose. and i personaly could make a few more.
I like the bit in that casa statemend wich read something like, that all aircraft that are radio equiped.....
in other words dont worry about the guys in flying kite's
if they want to change someting for the better, get them radio fitted, and to do a course in how to use and talk on them.
that might make things a bit safer.
just my 2c worth
cheers
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Chill guys, I think most of you are missing the point of the change.
Unlike a CTAFR aerodrome, there is no legal requirement for a radio equipped aircraft to make any radio calls at a CTAF aerodrome, unless that aircraft is conducting a straight in approach.
From my reading, it would appear that the new rules are simply extending the same legal requirement for mandatory calls (that currently exist at CTAFR aerodromes) into CTAF aerodromes and, in the process, standardising the procedures between the two. Obviously, all other calls are the choice of the pilot based on circumstances as they see them.
I think this is very good move that, hopefully, will eliminate those jokers that fail to make any calls at CTAF aerodromes in order to avoid aerodrome charges.
It should also, hopefully, reduce the number of pilots making superflous calls that gadude is referring to. Many pilots are only making these calls because they believe it is a requirement due to the inconsistent requirements between documents as CASA has alluded to.
Unlike a CTAFR aerodrome, there is no legal requirement for a radio equipped aircraft to make any radio calls at a CTAF aerodrome, unless that aircraft is conducting a straight in approach.
From my reading, it would appear that the new rules are simply extending the same legal requirement for mandatory calls (that currently exist at CTAFR aerodromes) into CTAF aerodromes and, in the process, standardising the procedures between the two. Obviously, all other calls are the choice of the pilot based on circumstances as they see them.
I think this is very good move
that, hopefully, will eliminate those jokers that fail to make any calls at CTAF aerodromes in order to avoid aerodrome charges. It should also, hopefully, reduce the number of pilots making superflous calls that gadude is referring to. Many pilots are only making these calls because they believe it is a requirement due to the inconsistent requirements between documents as CASA has alluded to.
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The CASA is still mandating more calls than necessary. I can see what it's trying to do: make sure everyone makes radio calls in a CTAF; but if there is no one in the vicinity, then a call to introduce yourself as operating in the vicinity of an aerodrome (either on the ground or in flight) with intentions and a response by at least one aircraft to indicate known traffic, should be all that is mandated. Further R/T per guidelines should then follow for separation. But if there is no one else in the vicinity, why clog up the airbands with mandated calls?
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It's an intersesting point made that some guys don't make radio calls at all to avoid landing fee's
I must admit i am not a bloke who talkes much on the radio and probleby could improve a bit on that.
but it is my understanding that landing fees getting charged via the flight plan that is filed, via your flightplanner or naips or which ever way you file it.
not wanting to hichak (how do you spell that?) tread but is there anybody who knows how operaters do get charged??
either via flightplan or radio calls.
Is there anyone listing on the ground to all those radio calls at every strip??
cheers
I must admit i am not a bloke who talkes much on the radio and probleby could improve a bit on that.
but it is my understanding that landing fees getting charged via the flight plan that is filed, via your flightplanner or naips or which ever way you file it.
not wanting to hichak (how do you spell that?) tread but is there anybody who knows how operaters do get charged??
either via flightplan or radio calls.
Is there anyone listing on the ground to all those radio calls at every strip??
cheers
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not wanting to hichak (how do you spell that?) tread but is there anybody who knows how operaters do get charged??
either via flightplan or radio calls.
Is there anyone listing on the ground to all those radio calls at every strip??
either via flightplan or radio calls.
Is there anyone listing on the ground to all those radio calls at every strip??
The simple version is the broadcasts are recorded, sorted and some poor soul writes down the callsigns. The regos are looked up and a bill is sent in the mail.
Also, If anyone is that worried about landing fees, maybe instead of saying nothing you could say something along the lines of 'XXX traffic, yellow Piper 15 miles to the north, inbound, 1500, XXX'.