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Old 20th Oct 2023, 12:39
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Old 20th Oct 2023, 12:47
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Hello Dave, You're my wife now.
Too late, I've had several better offers from lesbians.
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Old 20th Oct 2023, 18:00
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Originally Posted by Asturias56
I think it started as a way to remember who you were talking to - keep using it long enough and you remember it - but it gets out of control..............................
No one's name is Sir or Ma'am.

While we're at it, let's bin saluting outside of the Square. Senior officers are put off going outside the safety of their offices to meet the troops because their hands are glued to their foreheads every time they go to the shop to grab lunch
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Old 20th Oct 2023, 19:14
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When at work, and having been told there's an officer on the phone who requires to speak with me, I have taken to starting the conversation by identifying myself and then asking the officer (no matter what they sound like) if they would like me to refer to them as Sir or Ma'am; or perhaps some other title that they prefer. I'll bet they get fed up with it before I do.
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Old 21st Oct 2023, 16:19
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I think this thread has past its sell by date. Everyone has just retreated to their corner and is just talking past each other.

Canada has adopted similar policies with a similar level of outrage and then outrage at the outrage. Unfortunately none of that is going to fix a complete lack of a doctrinal framework supporting realistic and achievable operational capabilities or the tragically broken procurement process.

I would suggest the RAF has bigger problems than what uniform a service member is wearing or what their favoured form of address is……
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Old 21st Oct 2023, 16:28
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Years ago, when gender wasn't a thing, Boss worked fine for me and for the people that worked for me, except when wearing No1s (or Fives for the RN). In certain aviation or nautical contexts, Skipper would do too.
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Old 21st Oct 2023, 17:05
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Just wait until someone says Baas has racist overtones. Sigh.
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Old 21st Oct 2023, 17:11
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Maybe if we just addressed each other by our rank; this might get us out of this Orwellian rabbit hole.....
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Old 21st Oct 2023, 17:41
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Maybe if we just addressed each other by our rank; this might get us out of this Orwellian rabbit hole.....
does that include equal rank? maybe we could include seniority in that situation 😉
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Old 21st Oct 2023, 18:17
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Originally Posted by 57mm
Maybe if we just addressed each other by our rank; this might get us out of this Orwellian rabbit hole.....
Or by appointment?

“Good morning, Chief of Staff Air, Defence Equipment and Support.”

No gender issues, all is good. 😎
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Old 21st Oct 2023, 18:32
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Originally Posted by 57mm
Maybe if we just addressed each other by our rank; this might get us out of this Orwellian rabbit hole.....
If some one ever addressed me by my rank, they usually had more stripes than I did and it meant I was in trouble.

I have seen it in use though in the Army bit it made a right mouthful though on the sports field, some of those army ranks were so long, especially in those regiments were inbreeding exceeded competence, that by the time they had said it, it was too late, e.g. "pass it Lance Bombardier of the Horse, certainly Warrant Officer Second Class"
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Old 21st Oct 2023, 23:13
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Originally Posted by Ninthace
"pass it Lance Bombardier of the Horse, certainly Warrant Officer Second Class"
"Can't believe you missed that sitter, Wing Commander who only commands a Squadron!"
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Old 22nd Oct 2023, 09:02
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I think that this whole matter should all be referred to Ms Rose Wild whose 'Feedback' articles every week in the Saturday Times newspaper discus the vagaries of the English language. Write to her by emailing feedback@the times.co.uk (For example - why do school 'Dinner Ladies' serve lunches and is Dinner eaten at Teatime or at Supper time?) The vagaries of our English language is yet another reason why so many small boats cross La Manche overloaded with visitors who want to learn our ways.
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Old 22nd Oct 2023, 11:58
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"Can't believe you missed that sitter, Wing Commander who only commands a Squadron!"
The thing is, that doesn't work in the context. The RAF don't use rank when playing footie.
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Old 22nd Oct 2023, 12:07
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This is getting tedious.
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Old 22nd Oct 2023, 13:02
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Originally Posted by Barksdale Boy
This is getting tedious.
Well that livened it up no end!
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Old 22nd Oct 2023, 16:44
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This is getting tedious.
Isn't that the point?
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Association soccer is not a sport for officers; they may participate in rugger, however......
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Old 25th Oct 2023, 14:25
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Such a shame that just names cannot be used, are first names really so disrespectful of rank
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Old 25th Oct 2023, 15:44
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Originally Posted by LOMCEVAK
Such a shame that just names cannot be used, are first names really so disrespectful of rank
My 2p, I preferred those above me to know and use my first name.....and those more than 2 below me to call me by rank in work - more to keep others at my level and above happy, personally I prefered first names.

In civvy stasse there is no rank and we get by fine with first names.....
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