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JTO, ok, a categoric assessment that recceguy' s post is blinking (if he of whom you referred). Would you like to identify such racist, inaccurate and inflammatory statements?
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I am very reluctant to support such topics. But the "racist leanings", as you put it, should be rather addressed to the establishments of those Baltic states. They even invented a special term -"non-citizens" - for a good portion of the Russian population who do not speak their local languages (though born there and live for decades). Even some EU human rights activists defined a few tens of constraints in the local laws concerning these minorities.
Can you imagine that e.g. in Belgium the Wallons who do not speak Flemish (or vice versa) would be restricted in human rights? Or Swiss people speaking Italian in the Canton of Ticino?
Also, what factual inaccuracies are there in the post of recceguy? OK, I read about 26% of Russian in Latvia and not 30+, but is it a big difference? In some key areas the proportions differ. E.g. in Riga it's 37%. 20 years ago they were about 45%...
On the main topic now.
SanDiego89: sorry for disappointing you, but the current level of pilot training in Russian AF is really good. Logistics are also not bad. I assume your estimates are based on some 10 year old data.
You are right to a certain extent about mass productions of new models. But it will come.
However, recall the maiden flight of F-22 around 1990 with production started in 2001.
I am very reluctant to support such topics. But the "racist leanings", as you put it, should be rather addressed to the establishments of those Baltic states. They even invented a special term -"non-citizens" - for a good portion of the Russian population who do not speak their local languages (though born there and live for decades). Even some EU human rights activists defined a few tens of constraints in the local laws concerning these minorities.
Can you imagine that e.g. in Belgium the Wallons who do not speak Flemish (or vice versa) would be restricted in human rights? Or Swiss people speaking Italian in the Canton of Ticino?
Also, what factual inaccuracies are there in the post of recceguy? OK, I read about 26% of Russian in Latvia and not 30+, but is it a big difference? In some key areas the proportions differ. E.g. in Riga it's 37%. 20 years ago they were about 45%...
On the main topic now.
SanDiego89: sorry for disappointing you, but the current level of pilot training in Russian AF is really good. Logistics are also not bad. I assume your estimates are based on some 10 year old data.
You are right to a certain extent about mass productions of new models. But it will come.
However, recall the maiden flight of F-22 around 1990 with production started in 2001.
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It's probably also important not to assume that Putin's desired outcomes are the same as the West's, with it's emphasis on expeditionary warfare. Russian logistics and deployability have improved vastly, but their intended persistent reach is probably not much further than the borders of the former Soviet Union. It is far safer and cheaper to engage in non-military destabilisation of the West using our own political and legal systems, not to mention cyber-warfare.
As for racism and human rights, very much a US and Western European construct grown from our own relative safety (I'm not suggesting they are not valid). I find the further East you travel, the less they resonate. Very useful for propaganda and mirroring though.
As for racism and human rights, very much a US and Western European construct grown from our own relative safety (I'm not suggesting they are not valid). I find the further East you travel, the less they resonate. Very useful for propaganda and mirroring though.
Regarding the ethnic Russians in Latvia, it is true that the number of Russians living in Latvia increased massively during the Soviet occupation. Although the point at which an occupying power becomes ethnic is not known to me.
As to those that chose to remain after the collapse of the Warsaw Pact - they had the option to become naturalised citizens and nearly half took that path and became Latvian citizens. Those that did not and retained Russian (or other) citizenship were granted indefinite leave to remain.
All children born after 1991 automatically receive Latvian citizenship, even if the parents remained Russian. A rather different reality to the picture painted by recceguy.
Latvia has been criticised by some (including the US) for its handling of illegal immigrants, the majority of which come from Russia. Only relatively recently has Moscow agreed to work with Latvia to help stem the tide of illegal Russian migrants crossing the boarder.
It probably suits some to paint Russians in Latvia as suffering and trapped by circumstance under a brutal regime; but in reality quite a few Russians are trying to migrate to Latvia and away from mother Russia. Apartheid it is not.
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In my experience people who habitually call other people racists love every kind of diversity except intellectual diversity.
Because only their opinion is valid.
Because only their opinion is valid.
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Herod,
You wrote: "recceguy and A Van. References please to the non-citizenship of Russians resident in the Baltic States"
If you have problems with using search engines, here you are please (the first URL popped out after typing your words in Google):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-citizens_(Latvia)
Let me draw your attention to the following excerpt:
"According to the population census, in March 2011, there were 290,660 non-citizens living in Latvia or 14.1% of Latvian residents,[9] down from approximately 715,000 in 1991.[10] According to the Population Register, in January 2011, 326,735 non-citizens resided in Latvia".
So, the solution to this problem they had chosen was very simple: let's wait until all of them just die or go out. And it works, for 25 years already.
Please also note that sites on such topics in English tend to provide a rather mild point of view.
You wrote: "recceguy and A Van. References please to the non-citizenship of Russians resident in the Baltic States"
If you have problems with using search engines, here you are please (the first URL popped out after typing your words in Google):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-citizens_(Latvia)
Let me draw your attention to the following excerpt:
"According to the population census, in March 2011, there were 290,660 non-citizens living in Latvia or 14.1% of Latvian residents,[9] down from approximately 715,000 in 1991.[10] According to the Population Register, in January 2011, 326,735 non-citizens resided in Latvia".
So, the solution to this problem they had chosen was very simple: let's wait until all of them just die or go out. And it works, for 25 years already.
Please also note that sites on such topics in English tend to provide a rather mild point of view.
"Mildly" Eccentric Stardriver
The way I read it is that they have not taken out citizenship. In the same way my wife, who is a Swedish national, is not allowed to vote in UK General Elections. If you want a say in the running of a country, become a citizen of that country.
The way I read it is that they have not taken out citizenship. In the same way my wife, who is a Swedish national, is not allowed to vote in UK General Elections. If you want a say in the running of a country, become a citizen of that country.
Getting back to the thread, Russian ejection seats have proved to be highly effective and indeed some of their features have been assimilated into NATO/US seats, have they not?
For this whole thread, I'd like to remind folks that "it's the Indian, not the arrow" that tends to count at crunch time. If the Russians are minding their P's and Qs as regards training their people on the kit, they'll perform well when and if they come into contact with ... whomever.
