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The problem is that freedom is not an absolute thing. If it is not defended, it is gone in shortest time.
And what else is defending freedom but restricting it - in this case the freedom of its enemies to combat it?
Here is a paradoxon that ought to be solved by Western civilisations rather yesterday than tomorrow.
And what else is defending freedom but restricting it - in this case the freedom of its enemies to combat it?
Here is a paradoxon that ought to be solved by Western civilisations rather yesterday than tomorrow.
The threat from ISIS is massive and cannot be understated. They cannot be reasoned with and have to be destroyed - wiped off the face of the earth.
There is no other solution.
TN.
There is no other solution.
TN.
Well they really didn't hang around did they:
Jordan unleashes wrath on ISIS: 'This is just the beginning' - CNN.com
If it was us, we'd still be consulting the lawyers, spin doctors, and party activists whilst waiting for the MP for Little Snoring on the Wold to cut his fishing trip short to debate it in the Commons before issuing a harshly worded ticking off.
And good on them. The more I see of King Abdullah, the more he strikes me as a proper, old school, values driven leader.
Edited to add, just read the article as well as watching the clip. If correct and they really did put up 30 jets on one raid, when did we last manage that?
Jordan unleashes wrath on ISIS: 'This is just the beginning' - CNN.com
If it was us, we'd still be consulting the lawyers, spin doctors, and party activists whilst waiting for the MP for Little Snoring on the Wold to cut his fishing trip short to debate it in the Commons before issuing a harshly worded ticking off.
And good on them. The more I see of King Abdullah, the more he strikes me as a proper, old school, values driven leader.
Edited to add, just read the article as well as watching the clip. If correct and they really did put up 30 jets on one raid, when did we last manage that?
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Is he a pilot? Doesn't seem to say on his Wikipedia profile...
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Originally Posted by deptrai
he did qualify as a HueyCobra Pilot, long time ago. Before that, attended Sandhurst, commissioned into the British Army as a Second Lieutenant, and served for a year as a troop commander in the 13th/18th Royal Hussars. Later Armored Officer's Advanced Course at Fort Knox. I think he has an idea about how to fight tanks, and fly a helicopter. Not sure how that knowledge will help in this new war. The tools they teach people in war school were usually helpful against yesterday's enemy, and may be somewhat outdated.
Also the >1,300 M113s, and so on. Not to mention the 25 AH-1 Cobras (and I'm sure the US would love to sell some of the hundreds of retired US Army Cobras if Jordan asks for them.
Note that King Abdullah knows very well how those should be employed - and this fight is actually a very old one, in terms of how ISIL fights - with tactics that are very familiar to every Arab.
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I tried not to look but in the end, I pressed the button. There are indeed no adequate words to describe that horror. For the safety of humanity, these sub-humans need to be eradicated.
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Originally Posted by ShotOne
Without for a second disagreeing with the basic premise here, i.e. IS being unspeakable vermin, is there not a trace of self-centredness in the demands that "now we must pull out all the stops...etc"? That's "NOW", not last week or last month. Is this maybe because this particular victim happens to be someone with a job and background we recognise and identify with? Why is nobody insisting we deploy forces -nukes even, against other groups guilty of atrocities -Boko Haram or janjaweed for example? Maybe we could even save some sunshine for the Lords Resistance Army?
Also:
Bombs can?t defeat Daesh: Iraqi exiles | GulfNews.com
“What is needed to eliminate this terrorism is to eradicate the motives behind injustice, marginalisation and genocide, and to give people back their rights and freedoms,” he said in the Jordanian capital Amman, home to thousands of Iraqi refugees.
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Sunni clerics and community leaders living in exile in Jordan say power-sharing in Iraq between Kurds, Sunnis and Shiites will be needed to bring stability to the violence-wracked nation.
Without a political consensus between all Iraqis, “we will not be able to beat Daesh, and even if we succeed another group will emerge — another Daesh,” warned Yahya Al Kubaisi, a consultant for the Amman-based Iraqi Centre for Strategic Studies.
Sa’adi, the cleric, said the US-led coalition carrying out air strikes on the militants must “revise its positions because the situation will get worse across the world”.
He urged the coalition leaders to meet Sunni figures to hear their demands, including the creation of an Iraqi government of technocrats.
“When our rights are met, we will know how to deal with Daesh. This is our problem,” he said.
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Sunni clerics and community leaders living in exile in Jordan say power-sharing in Iraq between Kurds, Sunnis and Shiites will be needed to bring stability to the violence-wracked nation.
Without a political consensus between all Iraqis, “we will not be able to beat Daesh, and even if we succeed another group will emerge — another Daesh,” warned Yahya Al Kubaisi, a consultant for the Amman-based Iraqi Centre for Strategic Studies.
Sa’adi, the cleric, said the US-led coalition carrying out air strikes on the militants must “revise its positions because the situation will get worse across the world”.
He urged the coalition leaders to meet Sunni figures to hear their demands, including the creation of an Iraqi government of technocrats.
“When our rights are met, we will know how to deal with Daesh. This is our problem,” he said.
Can we not pay some Exec Outcomes / Sandline / ex spec forces etc etc types to go in there quietly and start eliminating this disease?
I reckon we could start a just giving page and collect a few million in a matter of days.
I know I would donate
I reckon we could start a just giving page and collect a few million in a matter of days.
I know I would donate
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I think this barbaric burning of a pilot is a sign of the impotency ISIS feels against air power.
I personally know one of the people who helped to pull McCain out of the pond he ejected into, he's a good guy in my book. He has no quarrels admitting that after getting McCain out of the water, McCain received a good beating. In an ideal world, that's not how you treat an injured opponent...but these were civilians, whose families had been bombed, whose houses had been destroyed, who had never been taught about the Geneva Conventions, civilians who felt completely impotent against the bombers in the sky. It's not the right thing do, to beat a pilot who was part of destroying everything you call home, but I can see the anger civilians on the receiving end of air power must feel. Yet, McCain is alive and well, no one burned him alive (I am tempted to say...unlike some civilian casualties of Napalm, and not to mention, the long term effects of Agent Orange). For years, McCain has been very outspoken condemning all kinds of "enhanced interrogations" etc (a terrible euphemism, let's just call it torture), and I respect him deeply for that. No matter how inhumanely your opponents treat you, it's not an excuse to do the same. For me, burning your opponents alive is just a sign that someone is losing the battle. They're feeling impotent. Judging by the level of atrocities we've seen...ISIS is desperate.
I personally know one of the people who helped to pull McCain out of the pond he ejected into, he's a good guy in my book. He has no quarrels admitting that after getting McCain out of the water, McCain received a good beating. In an ideal world, that's not how you treat an injured opponent...but these were civilians, whose families had been bombed, whose houses had been destroyed, who had never been taught about the Geneva Conventions, civilians who felt completely impotent against the bombers in the sky. It's not the right thing do, to beat a pilot who was part of destroying everything you call home, but I can see the anger civilians on the receiving end of air power must feel. Yet, McCain is alive and well, no one burned him alive (I am tempted to say...unlike some civilian casualties of Napalm, and not to mention, the long term effects of Agent Orange). For years, McCain has been very outspoken condemning all kinds of "enhanced interrogations" etc (a terrible euphemism, let's just call it torture), and I respect him deeply for that. No matter how inhumanely your opponents treat you, it's not an excuse to do the same. For me, burning your opponents alive is just a sign that someone is losing the battle. They're feeling impotent. Judging by the level of atrocities we've seen...ISIS is desperate.
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For me, burning your opponents alive is just a sign that someone is losing the battle.
Not to mention the 25 AH-1 Cobras (and I'm sure the US would love to sell some of the hundreds of retired US Army Cobras if Jordan asks for them.
There's lots at risk here for Jordan in a ground war escalation. Big kahunas if they truly take the fight to the Islamic State.
Newswatch on the BBC News channel this morning carried a complaint from a viewer who felt that it was wrong that, after not showing the video on the channel, the news presenter at the time described what happened in it twice. They felt that it would have been sufficient enough to say that the pilot was 'killed' by IS without going into detail.
Some people do not get it, do they?
Some people do not get it, do they?
I didn't watch the video and I have no urge to do so. But somehow right after the news I wanted to see the coverage of a night vision attack which wiped out some ISIS fighters from the face of the Earth. Yes I did so and it was a strange way to calm down. Normally I am not glad to hear about violence but I am far from being a pacifist and I think that in many cases only a good guy with a gun can stop a bad guy with a gun.
Maybe ISIS should learn a lesson that there will be a "no guns zone" in the area and anyone wearing one will be eliminated without warning or any questions asked. I am only afraid there is not enough means to provide such cover to solve the whole problem and only ground forces can complete any operation.
ISIS pi**ed so many Arabs now that they are willing to take them out. Hopefully no need to send any NATO ground forces into area anymore.
Maybe ISIS should learn a lesson that there will be a "no guns zone" in the area and anyone wearing one will be eliminated without warning or any questions asked. I am only afraid there is not enough means to provide such cover to solve the whole problem and only ground forces can complete any operation.
ISIS pi**ed so many Arabs now that they are willing to take them out. Hopefully no need to send any NATO ground forces into area anymore.
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Or perhaps the UAE could transfer its F16's to the willing to fight Jordanians.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/07/world/middleeast/united-arab-emirates-key-ally-in-us-fight-against-isis-to-rejoin-air-campaign.html?action=click&contentCollection=Middle%20East®i on=Footer&module=MoreInSection&pgtype=article
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