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The problem with your proposition, Smudjsmith, is the EHCR.
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Islam isn't, nor has it ever been, the problem though. A small subset of ill educated, sexually frustrated failure ridden vicious thugs that are gagging to be made an example of are.
We didn't win against a similarly motivated (use of rape, torture, genocide and beheadings) Japanese force in ww2 with hearts and minds. We pulled out all the stops. And I'm not talking about the bombs, I'm talking about the land campaign. In short, we ****** them up. We defeated them physically and psychologically, the ideology bit followed on as soon as they knew we had complete hedgemony over them.
I think the Arab world at some stage is going to need to re-define borders and agree to stay off of each other's turf. The accession arguement that has caused so much bloodshed over the past 1400 years is not going to be solved overnight but there are mitigations possible to help the process. I can see Iraq being split into three with a big chunk of Syria forming part of a new Sunni nation.
We didn't win against a similarly motivated (use of rape, torture, genocide and beheadings) Japanese force in ww2 with hearts and minds. We pulled out all the stops. And I'm not talking about the bombs, I'm talking about the land campaign. In short, we ****** them up. We defeated them physically and psychologically, the ideology bit followed on as soon as they knew we had complete hedgemony over them.
I think the Arab world at some stage is going to need to re-define borders and agree to stay off of each other's turf. The accession arguement that has caused so much bloodshed over the past 1400 years is not going to be solved overnight but there are mitigations possible to help the process. I can see Iraq being split into three with a big chunk of Syria forming part of a new Sunni nation.
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King of Jordan quotes Clint Eastwood as he addresses Congress over ISIS video | Daily Mail Online
Well, at least the Arabs get it.
Obamas response was to give the king a billion dollars. I expect Jordan is expecting a fair few more refugees.
Happy hunting guys! 
Well, at least the Arabs get it.
Jordan's King Abdullah II quoted film character saying 'I'm not only going to kill him, I'm going to kill his wife and all his friends and burn his damn house down'
Abdullah told members of Congress how his only problem would be running out of fuel and bullets
'The king feels that the gloves are off and that it now is time if you can't negotiate with these people, you're going to have to take it to them, and I think it's going to be more than Jordan.'
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Some thoughtful and informative posts from Tu 114, thanks
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Well, now you have got it off your chest, as you put it, would you care to explain how you are going to achieve the rounding up bit of your suggestion?
Nick B
"round 'em all up, put 'em in a field & bomb the b'stards"...
In ISIS behaviour, the amateur psychologist in me sees quite a bit of pure psychopathy.
Not as is the coldly, calculated vicious side of what they have done.
Rather - that because psychopaths lack empathy, despite their intelligence, pure clinical psychopaths eventually miscalculate and get caught, or suffer the consequences of their actions.
They've miscalculated here I think.
Contrary to what some posters here think, I don't know if they're that clever really.
I think they just want a fight with the west - the mythical confrontation in Daesh so to speak.
I think we're crediting them with way too much strategic nous to assume that they have some masterplan of provoking us to come in, and kill Muslims as collateral damage in order to turn Muslims of the region against us.
If that was the plan, they wouldn't have committed such an egregious act of barbarism as burning someone alive - which will alienate moderates.
I think they're all a bit thick to be honest.
Not as is the coldly, calculated vicious side of what they have done.
Rather - that because psychopaths lack empathy, despite their intelligence, pure clinical psychopaths eventually miscalculate and get caught, or suffer the consequences of their actions.
They've miscalculated here I think.
Contrary to what some posters here think, I don't know if they're that clever really.
I think they just want a fight with the west - the mythical confrontation in Daesh so to speak.
I think we're crediting them with way too much strategic nous to assume that they have some masterplan of provoking us to come in, and kill Muslims as collateral damage in order to turn Muslims of the region against us.
If that was the plan, they wouldn't have committed such an egregious act of barbarism as burning someone alive - which will alienate moderates.
I think they're all a bit thick to be honest.
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Tartare, you may very well be correct. I think they got it wrong this time, but we must react carefully. Even if that means eventually "nuking" them, after other options are exhausted.
My comments are long term ones, only other Arab nations can sort this out (with our subtle help). As long as the west lead the way, young Muslims will join the fight.
My comments are long term ones, only other Arab nations can sort this out (with our subtle help). As long as the west lead the way, young Muslims will join the fight.
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Over the years contributing on this forum I could hold my emotions in check. In this one I can't.
Because yesterday I saw a picture of Moath, taken from above showing him sitting in his F16 office. One handsome young guy, face one big grin, depicting in an almost childish way 100% total happiness. Happy for having achieved his lifelong dream of becoming a fighter pilot. He looks like one of my sons.
Destroyed in the most inhumane way You can think of.
Not even as a parent I can get close to the pain his relatives now must feel.
Guys over there, dust off those Napalm canisters and burn that disease off the face of the earth. That is the only language that works.
I am sure Moath flies along with You and gets You guys safe home again.
Because yesterday I saw a picture of Moath, taken from above showing him sitting in his F16 office. One handsome young guy, face one big grin, depicting in an almost childish way 100% total happiness. Happy for having achieved his lifelong dream of becoming a fighter pilot. He looks like one of my sons.
Destroyed in the most inhumane way You can think of.
Not even as a parent I can get close to the pain his relatives now must feel.
Guys over there, dust off those Napalm canisters and burn that disease off the face of the earth. That is the only language that works.
I am sure Moath flies along with You and gets You guys safe home again.
Non-verified reports coming in the King Abdullah has been (or will be) personally involved in one of the bombing missions against ISIS.
http://www.iraqinews.com/baghdad-pol...striking-isil/
http://en.shafaqna.com/topnews/item/...inst-isis.html
http://www.iraqinews.com/baghdad-pol...striking-isil/
http://en.shafaqna.com/topnews/item/...inst-isis.html
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According to his official web site
"In 1985, then-Prince Abdullah returned to Jordan to serve in the armed forces (Armoured Corps, 3rd Division). Rising through the ranks to lieutenant-colonel, he attended advanced military courses in both Jordan and the UK. Among other duties, he served on attachment to the Special Forces and qualified as a Cobra attack helicopter pilot. After service as commander of the 2nd Armoured Battalion, 40th Armoured Brigade, he was named deputy commander, Jordanian Special Forces, in January 1993."
King Abdullah II Official Website | Profile
"In 1985, then-Prince Abdullah returned to Jordan to serve in the armed forces (Armoured Corps, 3rd Division). Rising through the ranks to lieutenant-colonel, he attended advanced military courses in both Jordan and the UK. Among other duties, he served on attachment to the Special Forces and qualified as a Cobra attack helicopter pilot. After service as commander of the 2nd Armoured Battalion, 40th Armoured Brigade, he was named deputy commander, Jordanian Special Forces, in January 1993."
King Abdullah II Official Website | Profile
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ISIS's actions were very calculating particularly if you consider that the prisoners they were demanding from Jordan were of no importance to them at all. They must have realised that there was a good chance that they would be executed once Jordan found out about Moaz al-Kasasbeh's death, meaning that they were considered to be no more than collateral damage.
At the risk of being contentious......(and I am in no way supporting ISIS)... But if you voluntarily join an armed service, one has to accept the consequences of being killed or captured? I don't think anyone is under any illusions of what is going to happen to you if you get captured by ISIS.
I'd feel a lot of sympathy for some poor conscript sent out there to fight these people.
Seems to me that ISIS are playing to win.
I'd feel a lot of sympathy for some poor conscript sent out there to fight these people.
Seems to me that ISIS are playing to win.
hunterboy, Paraphrased from a training manual fifty years ago: 'You may be captured by a savage enemy who is not signatory to the Geneva Convention; that is the price of freedom and democracy.'
Those people have a reputation for the utmost savagery and barbarism going back hundreds of years
Those people have a reputation for the utmost savagery and barbarism going back hundreds of years
Meanwhile, on the home front:
Unfortunately, we now have so many Muslims in our country that there is an open port to their mediaeval customs up to, and including, infiltration by IS.
We already have voter fraud with death menaces, animal abuse, FGM and 1400 girls sexually abused, pimped and tortured by Pakistani gangs so it's a small step for The Caliphate in the form of our homegrown groupies of al-Baghdadi to show up.
Edited to note that I know and have worked with many Muslims. Two were at one time likely to become fathers-in-law of my children. We had a home in the ME for four years and I have spent my life travelling to Islamic countries. I've been told "I only drink Champagne, Basil." and have sat having a beer with pilot colleagues discussing the days when they fought on opposite sides in a well known ME war. I am sure that none of those would welcome the imposition of a Wahabbist lifestyle BUT any Muslim's family can be threatened by such people.
"If you do not join us, we will kill your family!" That's what I'm getting at.
We already have voter fraud with death menaces, animal abuse, FGM and 1400 girls sexually abused, pimped and tortured by Pakistani gangs so it's a small step for The Caliphate in the form of our homegrown groupies of al-Baghdadi to show up.
Edited to note that I know and have worked with many Muslims. Two were at one time likely to become fathers-in-law of my children. We had a home in the ME for four years and I have spent my life travelling to Islamic countries. I've been told "I only drink Champagne, Basil." and have sat having a beer with pilot colleagues discussing the days when they fought on opposite sides in a well known ME war. I am sure that none of those would welcome the imposition of a Wahabbist lifestyle BUT any Muslim's family can be threatened by such people.
"If you do not join us, we will kill your family!" That's what I'm getting at.
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p we're all forced to endure.