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Bringing in an ID card system when the borders are not secure is like branding your own horses whilst leaving the gate open to your neighbours fields
So here's another solution. Anyone stopped and asked to produce identity and unable to do so is detained until they can do so, or otherwise prove their legal status.
There is no good answer to this problem, but there has to be a better one than the current situation where illegals and criminals just stick two fingers up at the law, and law-abiding people.
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is that the borders are reasonably secure at the point of entry,
The UK has more holes in it than Swiss cheese.
Visas running out is another issue entirely.
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It's a hell of a lot more secure than any of the Schengen area countries. Do you have any support for your point that the UK has more holes in it than Swiss cheese? As I've worked fairly closely with the authorities at several airport entry points I'd disagree with you.
I would imagine that someone with more knowledge than I have might be able to suggest how many get in through private airfields and via the coast but I would guess it's pretty low compare to the non-existent controls on Schengen countries.
I would imagine that someone with more knowledge than I have might be able to suggest how many get in through private airfields and via the coast but I would guess it's pretty low compare to the non-existent controls on Schengen countries.
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You said
You did NOT say airports. Of course airports are one of the most secure,
you are channeled into certain areas where you need docs.
The UK border is not secure because of it's closeness to Europe via sea and Eire and of course the tunnel.
You said
borders are reasonably secure at the point of entry
you are channeled into certain areas where you need docs.
The UK border is not secure because of it's closeness to Europe via sea and Eire and of course the tunnel.
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Get the picture? White Brits must be all things to all men...err sorry, all persons.
Non racist, non sexist, non homophobic, non islamaphobic, non heightist, non sizeist, non judgementalist, compassionate, understanding, willing to sacrifice their heritage, culture and future to obviously superior systems (read the papers lately?)
You no longer live here then, eh fox 3? Shouting from the sidelines, eh?
Non racist, non sexist, non homophobic, non islamaphobic, non heightist, non sizeist, non judgementalist, compassionate, understanding, willing to sacrifice their heritage, culture and future to obviously superior systems (read the papers lately?)
You no longer live here then, eh fox 3? Shouting from the sidelines, eh?
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Non racist, non sexist, non homophobic, non islamaphobic, non heightist, non sizeist, non judgementalist, compassionate, understanding,
Anyone who drives effectively has an ID card which you must have when driving.
Non racist, non sexist, non homophobic, non islamaphobic, non heightist, non sizeist, non judgementalist, compassionate, understanding,
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Australia tried to implement a national ID card (the Australia Card) in the mid 80's. It didn't take, so we went down the US Social Security number path (Tax File Number) instead.
I'm actually a bit surprised that the Coalition hasn't tried it again during their current term, Howard tried it again in 2005 but lost office.
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During the war everyone had an ID card. I had one as a child when I lived in Malaya during the emergency. We are effectively at war now. If ID cards increase security, I reckon I can put up with the resultant minute loss of personal liberty and privacy.
Stendec - please note I am not telling anyone what to do - that's your choice, not mine. I've just stated my experience in an attempt to inform the debate;and it seems Tash agrees. So, not shouting.
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I dont think anyone has picked you up on that,500N It may be true for Australia, but in the UK there is no requirement to have your driving licence with you when driving.
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Hmmm... so Australia is with the US then?
In every state and Federal district driving without your license in your possession is a crime - a minor one (misdemeanor) that is normally just a monetary fine (you are written a citation and are allowed to go on your way as long as you don't keep driving), and can be dismissed if you convince the judge that your reason was a good one and that you won't do it again - but a crime nonetheless.
In every state and Federal district driving without your license in your possession is a crime - a minor one (misdemeanor) that is normally just a monetary fine (you are written a citation and are allowed to go on your way as long as you don't keep driving), and can be dismissed if you convince the judge that your reason was a good one and that you won't do it again - but a crime nonetheless.
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I recall the day when I finally handed in my F1250, and suddenly (amiss all the other various emotions) realised that I no longer had a way of instantly proving my identity. This was back in the days of the awful multi-fold Driving Licence, so that was no substitute.
Now, on this little Island, I have a neat little credit-card Driving Licence (always in my wallet, and a great comfort when in the USA, as noted above). I also have my Jersey Health Card, proving that I am part of the Social Security system. In the near future I will also have the newly-introduced Residency Card, asserting my right to own/occupy property. I'm happy to produce any of these on demand if there's a good reason.
My RBL, RAFA and Waitrose membership cards are perhaps less useful.
Now, on this little Island, I have a neat little credit-card Driving Licence (always in my wallet, and a great comfort when in the USA, as noted above). I also have my Jersey Health Card, proving that I am part of the Social Security system. In the near future I will also have the newly-introduced Residency Card, asserting my right to own/occupy property. I'm happy to produce any of these on demand if there's a good reason.
My RBL, RAFA and Waitrose membership cards are perhaps less useful.