Typhoon Pilots 'unfit for flying' Sent Home
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You have two problems that I perceive; there is the issue that the press have become aware of what occurred. If the gentlemen had carried out their exercise in non sobriety in the hotel they stayed in then no problem. Remember public perception is important. As is the perception of governments who are monitoring the current military activity. Muslim nations really do not like alcohol, nor the visible effects. The perception of those who work in the military elsewhere is also important. I could write much about what those in FB's might feel, but I am sure you understand what they might feel.
The next problem is responsibility, command & leadership.
My apologies for being so brief and not fully responding to your posting.
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You have two problems that I perceive; there is the issue that the press have become aware of what occurred. If the gentlemen had carried out their exercise in non sobriety in the hotel they stayed in then no problem. Remember public perception is important. As is the perception of governments who are monitoring the current military activity. Muslim nations really do not like alcohol, nor the visible effects. The perception of those who work in the military elsewhere is also important. I could write much about what those in FB's might feel, but I am sure you understand what they might feel.
The next problem is responsibility, command & leadership.
My apologies for being so brief and not fully responding to your posting.
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@ Jumpseat,
I am aware of a number of organisations of where drinking leads to instant dismissal for those in safety critical roles - as stated previously. The only exception is if you declare your problem with alcohol. Then the organisations shall assist you.
Hval
I am aware of a number of organisations of where drinking leads to instant dismissal for those in safety critical roles - as stated previously. The only exception is if you declare your problem with alcohol. Then the organisations shall assist you.
Hval
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No way we could have gone to sleep post-flight and again later in the day pre-flight.
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Oh dear someone else sent home......................
Senior Navy officer fighting piracy sent home after extra-marital affair with female sailor | Mail Online
diligaf?
Senior Navy officer fighting piracy sent home after extra-marital affair with female sailor | Mail Online
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Lets have a look at public/foreign opinion shall we
British pilots sent home from Libya mission in disgrace - Yahoo! News
or a quick snapshot of the arab reaction as below - mmmmm read by 444 and commented on by, er, none.
British pilots sent home in disgrace
Actually me old, its kind of difficult to find any outrage whatsoever. Nice of you to take time out to speak on behalf of the world, but it seems, the world really isn't that interested.
Lets have a look at public/foreign opinion shall we
British pilots sent home from Libya mission in disgrace - Yahoo! News
or a quick snapshot of the arab reaction as below - mmmmm read by 444 and commented on by, er, none.
British pilots sent home in disgrace
Actually me old, its kind of difficult to find any outrage whatsoever. Nice of you to take time out to speak on behalf of the world, but it seems, the world really isn't that interested.
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I can recall talking to officers at times and also failed to get any sense out of them. And they were sober!
I take it then, when british industry leaders travel abroad, they don't partake, don't stay in plush hotels and when they get a day off, stay in said hotel.....
FFS
oh here comes the enemy, a conference table!
FFS
oh here comes the enemy, a conference table!
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Actually me old, its kind of difficult to find any outrage whatsoever. Nice of you to take time out to speak on behalf of the world, but it seems, the world really isn't that interested.
Well that’s alright then. After all, as commissioned officers it’s not how you act, it’s what people find out about how you’ve acted.
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I see from the Storygraph that an Army officer, clothing stained, was accompanied from a nightclub in the early hours by a number of policemen. The club may lose its licence because of rowdy behaviour by the guests.
So there we are, hat trick.
So there we are, hat trick.
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I would rather be on a Sqn serving with these two chaps than with some of the whiter than white, holier than thou, politically correct, sniffling, back stabbing, gutless, hypocritical, arm chair morons that have posted some quite incredible posts here.
They got drunk! So what, it’s hardly the end of the world or a crime against humanity. They should have been able to play their Joker, got a slapped wrist and allowed to continue with their job. And I don’t care if they were two Flt Lts, or the Boss and his 2ic.
They probably had a reason for doing what they did and it is probably a reason that 99.9 percent of the population could never understand or experience. And of all people, we, who have served in dodgy situations, should cut them some slack. The rest of you will never understand.
It’s because of the ability of the internet, fast communication to the ordinary public and the callous reporting by certain newspapers, alongside a weak, politically correct and gutless leadership that has led to a complete over reaction to this incident. It will be the downfall of us all.
They got drunk! So what, it’s hardly the end of the world or a crime against humanity. They should have been able to play their Joker, got a slapped wrist and allowed to continue with their job. And I don’t care if they were two Flt Lts, or the Boss and his 2ic.
They probably had a reason for doing what they did and it is probably a reason that 99.9 percent of the population could never understand or experience. And of all people, we, who have served in dodgy situations, should cut them some slack. The rest of you will never understand.
It’s because of the ability of the internet, fast communication to the ordinary public and the callous reporting by certain newspapers, alongside a weak, politically correct and gutless leadership that has led to a complete over reaction to this incident. It will be the downfall of us all.
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So there we are, hat trick
SRENNAPS very well said sir
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Exascot, you been a nawty buoy then?
Must go and get another Raki
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Obviously some don't realise you have to counter the media story, not the actual events. Once it's published, it becomes fact in the minds of the great unwashed, and that is what the MoD are trying to react to. It's also amusing/sad that the dipsomaniacs here are convinced these two have done no wrong other being "one of the lads" and having a great night out.
Historically, it is unlikely that the structure and fabric of HM Forces have ever faced a greater threat from major cuts in personnel and equipment. The very same government that sings HM Forces' praises in public on one hand, is on the other hand conducting a ruthless campaign by stealth and deception to emasculate and remove funding from the UK's military capability. With that background, does it take a genius to figure out what the impact of a story such as this has? Not everyone in the MoD wants, or even needs, the "truth" to come out, they are quite happy with the Press implication that some over-paid, elitist, bad-boys with an inflated sense of entitlement are running amok with millions of pounds worth of taxpayer funded equipment.
You can be confident that dark blue and green will be taking preventative measures to keep the pressure on light blue with this story, and why wouldn't they? This was never about "bottle to throttle" or the social conduct of known stable extroverts, it was a shining example of how the Press and Government are waiting like hungry dogs to use any and all negative publicity to make their case for why the military can't be trusted, so why not cut some more money from them? Now those revered and respected social organs such as the Sun and Daily Mail have smelled blood in the water, you should pity the next poor sap who gets the MoD into the news for "conduct unbecoming".
Historically, it is unlikely that the structure and fabric of HM Forces have ever faced a greater threat from major cuts in personnel and equipment. The very same government that sings HM Forces' praises in public on one hand, is on the other hand conducting a ruthless campaign by stealth and deception to emasculate and remove funding from the UK's military capability. With that background, does it take a genius to figure out what the impact of a story such as this has? Not everyone in the MoD wants, or even needs, the "truth" to come out, they are quite happy with the Press implication that some over-paid, elitist, bad-boys with an inflated sense of entitlement are running amok with millions of pounds worth of taxpayer funded equipment.
You can be confident that dark blue and green will be taking preventative measures to keep the pressure on light blue with this story, and why wouldn't they? This was never about "bottle to throttle" or the social conduct of known stable extroverts, it was a shining example of how the Press and Government are waiting like hungry dogs to use any and all negative publicity to make their case for why the military can't be trusted, so why not cut some more money from them? Now those revered and respected social organs such as the Sun and Daily Mail have smelled blood in the water, you should pity the next poor sap who gets the MoD into the news for "conduct unbecoming".
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Historically, it is unlikely that the structure and fabric of HM Forces have ever faced a greater threat from major cuts in personnel and equipment. The very same government that sings HM Forces' praises in public on one hand, is on the other hand conducting a ruthless campaign by stealth and deception to emasculate and remove funding from the UK's military capability.