F-35 Cancelled, then what ?
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The quote you copied is from a LockMart promo booklet. It's OK to put it like this for a general public, it's a marketeer job. But any radar expert would laugh at such general statements. Especially when they ("workers of wonders and miracles" at LM) address strategic targets and not just 3rd generation aircraft operated by poorly trained and nearly illiteral guys from "3rd world". In reality one can't bypass the laws of physics.
P.S. I am not objecting that F-35 is a great machine, but while letting one's imagination fly, there should be certain limits.
The quote you copied is from a LockMart promo booklet. It's OK to put it like this for a general public, it's a marketeer job. But any radar expert would laugh at such general statements. Especially when they ("workers of wonders and miracles" at LM) address strategic targets and not just 3rd generation aircraft operated by poorly trained and nearly illiteral guys from "3rd world". In reality one can't bypass the laws of physics.
P.S. I am not objecting that F-35 is a great machine, but while letting one's imagination fly, there should be certain limits.
Navy’s new stealth fighters debut at Culdrose
14 March 2017
The Navy’s first ‘stealth fighter squadron’ is in operation on UK soil.
Four life-size models of the F-35 Lightning II – built from fibre glass – are in use on the replica flight deck at RNAS Culdrose so aircraft handlers from HMS Queen Elizabeth can get used to the size and weight when they start working with the real thing next year.
14 March 2017
The Navy’s first ‘stealth fighter squadron’ is in operation on UK soil.
Four life-size models of the F-35 Lightning II – built from fibre glass – are in use on the replica flight deck at RNAS Culdrose so aircraft handlers from HMS Queen Elizabeth can get used to the size and weight when they start working with the real thing next year.
https://navynews.co.uk/archive/news/item/16025
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Why The F-35 Is The Iphone Of Fighter Aircraft 13 Mar 2017 Russ Read
Why The F-35 Is The Iphone Of Fighter Aircraft | The Daily Caller
"...F-35 manufacturer Lockheed-Martin offered the following example as to why to the sensor-fusion engine is a crucial addition in a white paper: The F-35 and Advanced Sensor Fusion
...What makes the F-35 most like the iPhone is its user potential. Berke explained that the original iPhone was branded as an Mp3 player, cell phone and internet device, but developers have now made it so much more. Similarly, now that F-35 operators have their hands on the aircraft, they are likely to continue to develop its capabilities, according to Berke.
"An enemy pilot effectively neutralizes sensor A from one F-35 in a formation of several. The likelihood that enemy will be able to do the same to another F-35 in the same formation is slim to none. It is extremely difficult for the enemy to defeat multiple sensors on multiple F-35s simultaneously. Because the sensors between the F-35s are fused, the pilot in aircraft #1 can simply tap in to aircraft #2’s sensor suite."
“The F-35, it’s light years beyond anything we already have,” said Berke. “The only way I know that is I flew F-18s, F-16s, F-22s and F-35s operationally for 23 years, that’s how I know that.”
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I would certainly hope that the F-22 offers capabilities over and above the F-16 and F-18, for all the money we spent. And the F-35 likewise should be "light years" beyond the Classic Hornet and any US-operated F-16.
But once again - it's not an iPhone until new mission functions (apps) can be integrated without spending months/years and millions on regression testing. This can be done and may one day be done on the F-35 but it is not present yet, as a quick and unbiased scan of the last several DOT&E reports will tell you.
By the way, the example of cross-platform fusion you describe was briefed by Ericsson (now Saab) in 2002 and some similar functions were available on the JA 37 Viggen. "Any radar, any shooter" was a standard feature of JAS 39A/B.
But once again - it's not an iPhone until new mission functions (apps) can be integrated without spending months/years and millions on regression testing. This can be done and may one day be done on the F-35 but it is not present yet, as a quick and unbiased scan of the last several DOT&E reports will tell you.
By the way, the example of cross-platform fusion you describe was briefed by Ericsson (now Saab) in 2002 and some similar functions were available on the JA 37 Viggen. "Any radar, any shooter" was a standard feature of JAS 39A/B.
It would be a surprise if the "iphone" of planes was really alone in all its innovations - after all the iphone is far from alone.
I found this interesting, for example, because to me it is an approach to addressing the problem of trying to upgrade the software of an aircraft quickly and deal with all the safety implications:
http://www.gripenblogs.com/Lists/Posts/Post.aspx?ID=705
You will obviously note the use of a 'phone' metaphor.
I found this interesting, for example, because to me it is an approach to addressing the problem of trying to upgrade the software of an aircraft quickly and deal with all the safety implications:
http://www.gripenblogs.com/Lists/Posts/Post.aspx?ID=705
You will obviously note the use of a 'phone' metaphor.
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Youse Brits may be interested in this - will wait for the moans....
F-35 successfully conducts first firings of MBDA?s ASRAAM - MBDA 15 Mar 2017
F-35 successfully conducts first firings of MBDA?s ASRAAM - MBDA 15 Mar 2017
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
March 15 (UPI) -- Canada's government formalized its plans to purchase Super Hornet fighter jets from the United States when it issued a letter of intent to the U.S. on Tuesday. The letter follows months of negotiations between Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's Liberal government, U.S. defense officials and Boeing representatives. Canada's request calls for the procurement of 18 F/A-18 Super Hornet aircraft.
Trudeau's government began exploring a potential Super Hornet buy in November 2016 as a temporary solution for replacing the country's aging fighter fleet, opting to distance itself from the Lockheed Martin-led F-35 program. While Canada maintains the procurement is a temporary solution until an open and transparent competition can be initiated to replace the country's CF-18s, defense officials say the decision marks notable progress toward a permanent replacement.
"Today's announcement shows important progress toward getting the brave women and men of the Canadian Armed Forces the equipment they need to protect Canadians and Canadian values around the world," Canadian National Defense Minister Harjit Sajjan said in a press release. "We will assess whether an interim Super Hornet fleet purchase will help ensure Canada remains a credible and dependable ally for many years to come."
Canada's next step for the procurement will involve further negotiations with Boeing and other suppliers to develop an official proposal. The country expects an official response from the U.S. in the early fall of 2017.
http://www.marketwired.com/press-rel...ty-2202856.htm
Trudeau's government began exploring a potential Super Hornet buy in November 2016 as a temporary solution for replacing the country's aging fighter fleet, opting to distance itself from the Lockheed Martin-led F-35 program. While Canada maintains the procurement is a temporary solution until an open and transparent competition can be initiated to replace the country's CF-18s, defense officials say the decision marks notable progress toward a permanent replacement.
"Today's announcement shows important progress toward getting the brave women and men of the Canadian Armed Forces the equipment they need to protect Canadians and Canadian values around the world," Canadian National Defense Minister Harjit Sajjan said in a press release. "We will assess whether an interim Super Hornet fleet purchase will help ensure Canada remains a credible and dependable ally for many years to come."
Canada's next step for the procurement will involve further negotiations with Boeing and other suppliers to develop an official proposal. The country expects an official response from the U.S. in the early fall of 2017.
http://www.marketwired.com/press-rel...ty-2202856.htm
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Transonic non-stealthy* jet fires infrared-guided missile. You get an incentive payment! You get an incentive payment! Everyone in the studio today gets an incentive payment!
* That's by LM's definition in which no aircraft with external stores is stealthy.
Seriously, though, it's a better F-35 weapon than an AIM-9X.
* That's by LM's definition in which no aircraft with external stores is stealthy.
Seriously, though, it's a better F-35 weapon than an AIM-9X.
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
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Yep the USN really needs more ARFers (AirReFuelling) - go here for the beer: 21 Mar 2017
"...The tanking mission accounts from anywhere from 25 to 30 percent of Super Hornet sorties,..."
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I think you are correct, The Navy needs more ARFers for either the Super Hornets or the F-35Cs... That is to say, if they want to protect the carriers...
What to do, what to do?
America's Lethal F-35 vs. F/A-18 Super Hornet: Who Wins? | The National Interest Blog
Yep the USN really needs more ARFers (AirReFuelling)
What to do, what to do?
America's Lethal F-35 vs. F/A-18 Super Hornet: Who Wins? | The National Interest Blog
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An April Fool Day article from 2016? Clearly in the last year the USN have cancelled the F-35C - not. In other news:
[F-35C Nose Gear/Catapult Fix] Next Big F-35 Contract Expected Later This Year 22 Mar 2017 Oriana Pawlyk
https://www.dodbuzz.com/2017/03/22/n...p-11-expected/
[F-35C Nose Gear/Catapult Fix] Next Big F-35 Contract Expected Later This Year 22 Mar 2017 Oriana Pawlyk
“...Babione [LM company’s general manager overseeing the F-35 program] said the company is moving quickly to repair the F-35C after it experienced rough acceleration during catapult-assisted takeoffs from Navy carriers — a hit on the most-expensive variant in the program, which was esti-mated to take months to fix, according to an Inside Defense report.
Babione said Lockheed and partners recently finished some testing at Naval Air Engineering Station Lakehurst in New Jersey, “trying two different techniques. One was changing the way the pilot straps in — how they get into the seat, how do they pull their harnesses,” he said. [wow]
Additionally, he said, “we changed the hold-back fixture... a little less load holding the airplane back when it launches” which reduces the stored energy in the nose gear.
Engineers haven’t yet determined whether one of or both techniques will be implemented, Babione said. Testing crews “will want to go back out to the carrier... sometime this fall,” he said....”
Babione said Lockheed and partners recently finished some testing at Naval Air Engineering Station Lakehurst in New Jersey, “trying two different techniques. One was changing the way the pilot straps in — how they get into the seat, how do they pull their harnesses,” he said. [wow]
Additionally, he said, “we changed the hold-back fixture... a little less load holding the airplane back when it launches” which reduces the stored energy in the nose gear.
Engineers haven’t yet determined whether one of or both techniques will be implemented, Babione said. Testing crews “will want to go back out to the carrier... sometime this fall,” he said....”
The full Breaking Defence article, referred to in post #10393.
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IIRC the S-3 only carried the same amount of give-away as the F-18 in tanker fit. Better to carry additional F-18s as it gives a multi-role as well as a self-defence capability.