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Old 30th Jan 2017, 10:24   #1001 (permalink)
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Morning all,

Well, I sat my CBAT for WSOp a few weeks back & sadly I didn't make the required cut off for WSOp........again (on my second attempt). .

Fairly demoralising. However, I had improved on areas I fell short on last time.

I know my weak areas and I'm constantly working on improving them, however, I do feel is it worth giving it one more attempt (third time lucky and all that)?.

However, as an optimist about most things , I need to be realistic and appreciate that If I can't pass CBAT, then the chances of me passing technical training and further training are slim.

Any advice?

Thanks all,

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Old 30th Jan 2017, 16:22   #1002 (permalink)
 
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However, as an optimist about most things , I need to be realistic and appreciate that If I can't pass CBAT, then the chances of me passing technical training and further training are slim.
What do you mean "technical training" and "further training"? If you don't pass CBAT you won't be getting in as a WSOp.
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Old 30th Jan 2017, 17:21   #1003 (permalink)
 
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What do you mean "technical training" and "further training"? If you don't pass CBAT you won't be getting in as a WSOp.
My interpretation was that he meant if he worked his proverbial off and then *just* achieved the pass mark to get in, it would probably indicate he might have similar issues on course.


NDW, that's not necessarily the case. The idea is if you have the aptitude then you would be able to cope with what's being thrown at you, so while I get your point, it might not be as cut and dry as you think.
However, you don't know that until you get in. Let them make that decision for you.

What guidance were you given after your recent test?
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Old 31st Jan 2017, 05:37   #1004 (permalink)
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What do you mean "technical training" and "further training"? If you don't pass CBAT you won't be getting in as a WSOp.
Downsizer, sorry. As I re-read it this AM, I intended it to sound like MOTN stated.

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My interpretation was that he meant if he worked his proverbial off and then *just* achieved the pass mark to get in, it would probably indicate he might have similar issues on course.


NDW, that's not necessarily the case. The idea is if you have the aptitude then you would be able to cope with what's being thrown at you, so while I get your point, it might not be as cut and dry as you think.
However, you don't know that until you get in. Let them make that decision for you.

What guidance were you given after your recent test?
Thanks MOTN,

Basically, the offer to re-sit the test in Jan 2018 or look into a ground role. I had improved on areas I fell short of on my first attempt, but fell short on areas I'd done well in first time. If that makes sense?

I have seriously been considering a ground role, however, I'd feel disappointed in myself if I didn't give it one more go.
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Old 31st Jan 2017, 07:44   #1005 (permalink)
 
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You can join a ground role and attempt CBAT once you are in as well.
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Good Afternoon all, I handed my ID card in today after a fantastic 11 years as a Sea King pilot in the Fleet Air Arm. For the past couple of years I've been out of flying and in recruiting, due to a medical downgrade. This has finally seen me discharged via the Medical Board route. I'm posting to announce the launching of my new website www.milprep.co.uk. My aim is offer coaching, mentoring and preparation services to young people who'd like a commission in the UK armed forces. Please check out the website, and if you have any enquiries then please get in touch. Good luck to you all!
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Old 3rd Feb 2017, 15:16   #1007 (permalink)
 
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Zero need to pay some shyster to pass OASC and they won't be able to help with CBAT that's for sure. All that is needed is some research and application. Then listen to the feedback given at Filter Interview. Plus almost all RAF recruiting areas offer an OASC prep day, so why pay for potentially out of date info?
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I think 'shyster' is a bit harsh to describe someone who has given a substantial amount of time in service of his country, and wants to help those who wish to do the same.

I do agree that paying for a prep service is unnecessary, but that said how many in-service success stories would we have seen without the help of the vast number of commissioning clubs we see across the service? If you have the money (although I don't see any pricing on his website, so can't really quantify that), and you want a helping hand ahead of applying for a commission, then why not?

I would question the use of a foreign frigate (I'm going balls out with a stab at OHP variant, Darwin class maybe?) on a website looking to assist recruiting into the UK armed forces, and the phrase '11 years as a Sea King pilot' - come on Al, 11 years total service maybe......

Good luck to you mate, and sorry to see the med discharge.
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It’s nothing new for someone who’s been brought into the world of Recruitment and Selection to subsequently try and exploit their knowledge for financial gain. Their ‘schooled’ candidates are invariably easy to spot at the selection centres and for them it doesn’t always go well. There are plenty of official briefings out there giving potential candidates all the information they need; if they’ve got what it takes, it’ll come through naturally and they’ll be spotted. The AFCO is there to help - use them.
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Old 12th Feb 2017, 16:59   #1010 (permalink)
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You can join a ground role and attempt CBAT once you are in as well.
Hi Downsizer,

I'd heard from a few sources that this was becoming harder to do, even a few current serving personnel at my recent CBAT mentioned this.
My fear would be that I join a ground role & never get the chance to re-apply for Aircrew.

I'm going by what was briefly discussed on my CBAT.

Thanks.
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Old 13th Feb 2017, 09:43   #1011 (permalink)
 
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I'd heard from a few sources that this was becoming harder to do, even a few current serving personnel at my recent CBAT mentioned this.
My fear would be that I join a ground role & never get the chance to re-apply for Aircrew.

I'm going by what was briefly discussed on my CBAT.

Thanks.
Utter bollox.

OASC even put on CBAT test days for serving pers to just go and see how they do at CBAT w/o having to go through an AFCO and application process. If they score high enough then they can apply should they choose to.
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But it's not bollox that the numbers of serving pers who go through are less than the number of civvies who go through.

At most you're putting yourself in for, what, 25-30% of the slots available, rather than the civvy going in for the 70-75%.

You've got a chance, yeah, but not a particularly big one.

Plus there's the danger of going in with the hope of doing that, failing, and then being 'stuck' in a trade you never wanted.
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Old 13th Feb 2017, 10:25   #1013 (permalink)
 
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Big push for SA to go through at present.

Of course there is a risk of not getting through, same as he has now. But if there was anything else that interested him it's a reasonable shout.
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Old 13th Feb 2017, 12:53   #1014 (permalink)
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Utter bollox.

OASC even put on CBAT test days for serving pers to just go and see how they do at CBAT w/o having to go through an AFCO and application process. If they score high enough then they can apply should they choose to.
Downsizer,

Thanks for the info. As I say, It was only briefly mentioned by other candidates at CBAT. Don't shoot the messenger.

But, thanks for the info.
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"Getting through" means:

Fighter pilots on the RAF slow track Too many trainees for RAF?s fast jets - Telegraph
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Old 25th Mar 2017, 10:45   #1016 (permalink)
 
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Looks like VERY old news to me. Recruitment and selection opportunities are as strong as ever.
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OOps you are correct - I saw todays date top right and did not notice 17 Dec 2011

I'm not SpazSinbad for nothing.
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Old 25th Mar 2017, 14:29   #1018 (permalink)
 
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Nevertheless, the RAF, and maybe the other services, have never been that hot at manpower planning. They seem to go from feast to famine and back again almost without pausing for breath. maybe things have improved now
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Oh yes. I mean no.

SDSR 15 gave us lots of shiny new toys (and spared the axe on some others) but there are no new crews to fly them, a training pipeline that cannot deliver them, and even trying to coax redundees back in isn't proving too successful.

Just where do the airships expect to conjure up 24 Poseidon crews, 60 or more Protector crews, and extra crews for RJ Sentry and Shadow. Thats over 400 new aviators needed just for that last sentence, yet there is no WSO pipeline, and the WSOp one is only feeding a trickle.
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Old 3rd Apr 2017, 14:46   #1020 (permalink)
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Oh yes. I mean no.

SDSR 15 gave us lots of shiny new toys (and spared the axe on some others) but there are no new crews to fly them, a training pipeline that cannot deliver them, and even trying to coax redundees back in isn't proving too successful.

Just where do the airships expect to conjure up 24 Poseidon crews, 60 or more Protector crews, and extra crews for RJ Sentry and Shadow. Thats over 400 new aviators needed just for that last sentence, yet there is no WSO pipeline, and the WSOp one is only feeding a trickle.
I'd be happy to help
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