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SDSR 2016?
Having a major defence review in the synch and just before an election is not a good idea. Would a delay to 2016 be a good idea.
I am sure the can kickers would love the idea?
I am sure the can kickers would love the idea?
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The General Election will take place on 15 May 2015, the SDSR will likely report after the vote sometime in October if the last one is anything to go by.
TBH the great British public won't give a monkey's after Afghan is officially finished and the size of the services now makes them an irrelevance amongst the electorate and to the political class as a whole
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TBH the great British public won't give a monkey's after Afghan is officially finished and the size of the services now makes them an irrelevance amongst the electorate and to the political class as a whole
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Given the ongoing assault upon the British armed forces at the hands of a bunch of political scum (lib-lab-con) got me thinking about a book that was loaned to me a couple of years ago. The book was certainly food for thought two-ish years ago and has had me pondering since.
The book was called "How To Stage A Military Coup" and was written by David Hebditch and Ken Conner (the second gentleman was I believe one of the longest serving members of the SAS).
The book was a fascinating and, in many places rather droll look at a subject that has affected many countries (almost including France at one point) the knock-on effect of which has rebounded around the world.
But the really intriguing part comes at the beginning of each chapter and lasts maybe 2/3 pages in each case. This is a look at a fictitious coup carried out right here in the UK in the more or less, here and now.
It made me think that if the forces, and thus ultimately the nation, face oblivion, then all the old rules become null and void. Even the question of legality becomes ambiguous under such extreme provocation. The armed forces swearing allegiance to Her Majesty not a bunch of political rent-boys infecting Whitehall and Westminster (what power still remaining there having not yet been surrendered to the so-called EU).
Since Her Majesty (in the book scenario) continues in her position. The oath of allegiance is unbroken (OK, the lawyers would have a field day on this one) But who questions the victor?
The book is available on Amazon.
The book was called "How To Stage A Military Coup" and was written by David Hebditch and Ken Conner (the second gentleman was I believe one of the longest serving members of the SAS).
The book was a fascinating and, in many places rather droll look at a subject that has affected many countries (almost including France at one point) the knock-on effect of which has rebounded around the world.
But the really intriguing part comes at the beginning of each chapter and lasts maybe 2/3 pages in each case. This is a look at a fictitious coup carried out right here in the UK in the more or less, here and now.
It made me think that if the forces, and thus ultimately the nation, face oblivion, then all the old rules become null and void. Even the question of legality becomes ambiguous under such extreme provocation. The armed forces swearing allegiance to Her Majesty not a bunch of political rent-boys infecting Whitehall and Westminster (what power still remaining there having not yet been surrendered to the so-called EU).
Since Her Majesty (in the book scenario) continues in her position. The oath of allegiance is unbroken (OK, the lawyers would have a field day on this one) But who questions the victor?
The book is available on Amazon.
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"..who questions the victor?"
I question your sanity, that or you are an eight year old!
What "ongoing assault upon the British Armed forces?" One of the largest defence budgets on the face of the planet with some of the most sophisticated and complex weapon systems in existence in the face of an enormous budget deficit and no military threat whatsoever. What kind of "assault" is that?
A military coup? There is only one definite outcome of a military coup and that is that you will have committed treason. You will be a traitor.
Why on earth would anybody in this country want to be run by the military? They can't even run themselves!
Oh, and by the way, the "so called EU" actually is the EU.
Some people...
"..who questions the victor?"
I question your sanity, that or you are an eight year old!
What "ongoing assault upon the British Armed forces?" One of the largest defence budgets on the face of the planet with some of the most sophisticated and complex weapon systems in existence in the face of an enormous budget deficit and no military threat whatsoever. What kind of "assault" is that?
A military coup? There is only one definite outcome of a military coup and that is that you will have committed treason. You will be a traitor.
Why on earth would anybody in this country want to be run by the military? They can't even run themselves!
Oh, and by the way, the "so called EU" actually is the EU.
Some people...
Roland,
Those aren't "assaults," they are merely downsizing, as decreed by the uniformed Top Brass, and why not in this day and age, after all, why do you NEED an Army any larger than 82,000 regulars and 38,000 reservists, more than 7 or 8 fast jet squadrons and 30 odd major warships, what would they all do?
We have a military that will be adequate for our needs, which is currently invading Middle Eastern countries and right royally fcuking them over.
If we only needed UK home defence, then something between Eire and Austria would do.
The Observer is my favourite paper...
Those aren't "assaults," they are merely downsizing, as decreed by the uniformed Top Brass, and why not in this day and age, after all, why do you NEED an Army any larger than 82,000 regulars and 38,000 reservists, more than 7 or 8 fast jet squadrons and 30 odd major warships, what would they all do?
We have a military that will be adequate for our needs, which is currently invading Middle Eastern countries and right royally fcuking them over.
If we only needed UK home defence, then something between Eire and Austria would do.
The Observer is my favourite paper...
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I question your sanity, that or you are an eight year old!
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no military threat whatsoever.
We can all debate about whether Ukraine is really our place to get involved in, but what about Estonia?...a NATO member and as of today, also a country black listed in the club of nations oppressing Russian minorities; there is only one other member of that club so far, can you guess which one?
Bastardeux,
Why does what is happening in the Crimea affect the size of the UK armed forces? You planning on invading Russia? Cos if you are the ONLY military that you will need will be the Trident SSBN fleet.
Why does what is happening in the Crimea affect the size of the UK armed forces? You planning on invading Russia? Cos if you are the ONLY military that you will need will be the Trident SSBN fleet.
Those aren't "assaults," they are merely downsizing, as decreed by the uniformed Top Brass
you are Alistair Campbell and I claim my £5. The figure was never set by the "uniformed Top Brass" they were set by a civil servant, without consultation with the Top Brass.We haven't got 38000 reservists, and I have yet to meet any army officer who thinks that 38000 reservists, even non-deployable ones, is anywhere near viable
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Why does what is happening in the Crimea affect the size of the UK armed forces? You planning on invading Russia?
I'm saying we have a commitment to NATO and our wider European defence, which the United States is, quite rightly, getting fed up of providing for us because we would prefer to spend our money on social behemoths.
Russia clearly doesn't respond to soft power and our hard power bluster is completely unsubstantiated because we simply do not have the assets to back it up...one of their ships sat off the coast of Lossie, for a couple of days, before we could do anything about it, FFS.
We have a resurgent Russia that is willing to bully Europe into doing what it wants. The West has done as near to nothing as makes no difference to punish or deter it from invading Crimea or Eastern Ukraine. So what next in the mind of Putin? Moldova? Estonia? Any other former Soviet states?
I can only assume that you are not serving, otherwise you would be all too aware of the fact that there is a gulf between government rhetoric and what we are actually able to achieve these days.
What "ongoing assault upon the British Armed forces?" One of the largest defence budgets on the face of the planet with some of the most sophisticated and complex weapon systems in existence in the face of an enormous budget deficit and no military threat whatsoever. What kind of "assault" is that?
A military coup? There is only one definite outcome of a military coup and that is that you will have committed treason. You will be a traitor
We have a military that will be adequate for our needs ... If we only needed UK home defence, then something between Eire and Austria would do.
Why on earth would anybody in this country want to be run by the military? They can't even run themselves!
That's the best bit of spin I've seen in ages you are Alistair Campbell and I claim my £5. The figure was never set by the "uniformed Top Brass" they were set by a civil servant, without consultation with the Top Brass.
We haven't got 38000 reservists, and I have yet to meet any army officer who thinks that 38000 reservists, even non-deplorable ones, is anywhere near viable
you are Alistair Campbell and I claim my £5. The figure was never set by the "uniformed Top Brass" they were set by a civil servant, without consultation with the Top Brass.We haven't got 38000 reservists, and I have yet to meet any army officer who thinks that 38000 reservists, even non-deplorable ones, is anywhere near viable
Are the non-deplorable ones those who use a knife and fork when eating sandwiches in the mess?
As an aside, if there was a military coup, supported by the majority of the electorate and "we" kept HMQ as Head of State, would we be traitors and have committed Treason? Isn't treason the act of betraying one's country and/or plotting or attempting to overthrow the Sovereign?
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How is William Hague going to go into the NATO summit trying to convince European countries to increase their defence budgets, if we continue to cut ours!?
http://in.reuters.com/article/2014/0...0MG5HA20140319
http://in.reuters.com/article/2014/0...0MG5HA20140319
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