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In answer to your question......today. Well, Thursday 27th to be exact. What I find somewhat of an anachronism is the fact that we announced several weeks ago the Principle for an Emirates cadet flying school, the construction of which is yet to begin. That's all well and good if it wasn't for the fact that this Company still hasn't announced who's going to head up Flight Operations, probably the most important department in an Airline that carries the largest number of International passengers in the World! As of 1530 local today, that position is now vacant. Who, in the event of a catastrophic incident, would be responsible for answering to the authority? This is a major post holder position for god's sake and the fact that the new DSVP FO has not even been announced is nothing short of disgraceful. There's nothing like getting your priorities right.....and this is nothing like it!
flyboy SG
Surprised? Don't be. After well over a decade here, nothing surprises me anymore. This is a Gulf Air in the making but it's too culturally insensitive to highlight that to those that can make the difference. We saw this unfolding around 5-7 years ago, a monumental cock up of overworked and demotivated crew battling insufficient leave availability, incompetent administrative procedures and sycophantic idiots too stupid to see the wood for the trees while they all pat each other on the back for a job well done. For many of us, it's all playing out in painful slow motion but for some senior management, it seems a surprise. Short of pilots? Why? Did we not announce in the usual blaze of hyped up advertising hundreds of new aircraft orders. We told the World 4 years ago they were coming, obviously someone forget to inform those that controlled recruitment that fact! Arrogance? Ignorance? Incompetence? Call it what you will. I call it all three! Sadly, believe it or not, we do have some good managers who are trying to keep things on the road but achieving that goal is another story altogether! Until we remove the incompetents who've inherited their positions through nepotism, seniority and racial discrimination, this Company will never achieve what it's capable of.
Still, let's not focus on mere triviality. Time no doubt to announce another multi million dollar sporting sponsorship or some fancy advert that relates to around 1% of our passengers.
Harry
In answer to your question......today. Well, Thursday 27th to be exact. What I find somewhat of an anachronism is the fact that we announced several weeks ago the Principle for an Emirates cadet flying school, the construction of which is yet to begin. That's all well and good if it wasn't for the fact that this Company still hasn't announced who's going to head up Flight Operations, probably the most important department in an Airline that carries the largest number of International passengers in the World! As of 1530 local today, that position is now vacant. Who, in the event of a catastrophic incident, would be responsible for answering to the authority? This is a major post holder position for god's sake and the fact that the new DSVP FO has not even been announced is nothing short of disgraceful. There's nothing like getting your priorities right.....and this is nothing like it!
flyboy SG
Surprised? Don't be. After well over a decade here, nothing surprises me anymore. This is a Gulf Air in the making but it's too culturally insensitive to highlight that to those that can make the difference. We saw this unfolding around 5-7 years ago, a monumental cock up of overworked and demotivated crew battling insufficient leave availability, incompetent administrative procedures and sycophantic idiots too stupid to see the wood for the trees while they all pat each other on the back for a job well done. For many of us, it's all playing out in painful slow motion but for some senior management, it seems a surprise. Short of pilots? Why? Did we not announce in the usual blaze of hyped up advertising hundreds of new aircraft orders. We told the World 4 years ago they were coming, obviously someone forget to inform those that controlled recruitment that fact! Arrogance? Ignorance? Incompetence? Call it what you will. I call it all three! Sadly, believe it or not, we do have some good managers who are trying to keep things on the road but achieving that goal is another story altogether! Until we remove the incompetents who've inherited their positions through nepotism, seniority and racial discrimination, this Company will never achieve what it's capable of.
Still, let's not focus on mere triviality. Time no doubt to announce another multi million dollar sporting sponsorship or some fancy advert that relates to around 1% of our passengers.
Harry
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Always very easy to take cheap shots at hard working ground staff who would probably do all of your idea's if they got paid as much as you (isn't that always the reply that comes the other way!).
Like my boss says if you want to earn £500 for working 1 minute into your day off go be a pilot. If you want to have a "Office" lifestyle go work in the Office is my reply and take the pay that goes with it.
In 99% of cases ground staff have hugh respect and admiration for aircrew and appreciate some (if not all) of the pressures and demands that you are put under.
By making the assumption they all sit round drinking Costa doesn't do the perception of Pilots any good however so whilst many have sympathy with your plight - be reasonable
By all means aim comments at Managers, VP's, hangers on that do the square root of nothing apart from shuffle pieces of paper and come in late and go home early - they are fair game!
Always very easy to take cheap shots at hard working ground staff who would probably do all of your idea's if they got paid as much as you (isn't that always the reply that comes the other way!).
Like my boss says if you want to earn £500 for working 1 minute into your day off go be a pilot. If you want to have a "Office" lifestyle go work in the Office is my reply and take the pay that goes with it.
In 99% of cases ground staff have hugh respect and admiration for aircrew and appreciate some (if not all) of the pressures and demands that you are put under.
By making the assumption they all sit round drinking Costa doesn't do the perception of Pilots any good however so whilst many have sympathy with your plight - be reasonable
By all means aim comments at Managers, VP's, hangers on that do the square root of nothing apart from shuffle pieces of paper and come in late and go home early - they are fair game!
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Mr Angry, I agree with your POV.
However, you should pop into the 3rd floor at HQ sometime and listen to the disparaging comments/conversations that are frequently overhead about the pilots. These are not necessarily the managers but frequently the 'admin' staff. Not only that, they're quite happy to openly, and in front of anyone within earshot, use the names of the pilot(s) concerned. I have little time for the office pen pushers in this regard...
However, you should pop into the 3rd floor at HQ sometime and listen to the disparaging comments/conversations that are frequently overhead about the pilots. These are not necessarily the managers but frequently the 'admin' staff. Not only that, they're quite happy to openly, and in front of anyone within earshot, use the names of the pilot(s) concerned. I have little time for the office pen pushers in this regard...
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Have to agree with you 100%, Sluggums. I always thought there was a definite 'us and them ' mentaility with many on the third floor..including some 'managers' who are there because they prefer not to be on the flight deck, but like to tell those who are, how it should be done.
Something I always found incredible, those like AS, JA, MM and The Horse, have never flown an Emirates aircraft Or a EK sector in their life, but make the policy on how it is to be done.
Something I always found incredible, those like AS, JA, MM and The Horse, have never flown an Emirates aircraft Or a EK sector in their life, but make the policy on how it is to be done.
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Dear Mr. Angry
My post was a satirical response to the RUMOR that certain a Manager made a comment about the lazy pilots getting 15 days off a month and that pilots should be treated like office workers and be given no more than 8 days off. A la 330 schedules. So my post was simply a reverse of that scenario. Except I never called the office workers lazy nor made any such inference.
In fact I made zero "cheap shots" towards the ground staff. I reread my post again to make sure, and am pretty sure you either misread the intent of the post, or I did not state it clearly. But there are no cheap shots, insinuations or references made to how hard the ground staff work. The post referenced office staff, but again there were no cheap shots or derogatory remarks made toward them either. Just out of curiosity how many of your 330/340 brothers actually get this insane overtime? Yes, I would agree with you if office staff were given overtime they would take advantage of it. There is a reason pilots get paid so much overtime $$. It is precisely to get the company to hire more pilots.
I always tell my friends, one of the reason pilots get paid what they do is to miss Christmas and children's birthdays. However, what EK pilots are doing is well above and beyond.
I, (Yes this is my personal opinion.) feel that one of the reasons Pilots and FA's get the short end of the stick is precisely because no one in the office has to work with them en masse on a daily basis. They have zero representation in the meeting rooms. EK Pilots work 30% more than when they were hired. In order to translate that over to office staff would mean everyone in EGHQ would be working Saturdays. During ALL measures imposed to "Save the company $$", how many affected only the EGHQ guys vs the Flight crew. Simply put, it's easy to sit in an office impose rules and changes on people you will never have to see. Yes, that last bit was a shot but not at the office staff.
In fact I made zero "cheap shots" towards the ground staff. I reread my post again to make sure, and am pretty sure you either misread the intent of the post, or I did not state it clearly. But there are no cheap shots, insinuations or references made to how hard the ground staff work. The post referenced office staff, but again there were no cheap shots or derogatory remarks made toward them either. Just out of curiosity how many of your 330/340 brothers actually get this insane overtime? Yes, I would agree with you if office staff were given overtime they would take advantage of it. There is a reason pilots get paid so much overtime $$. It is precisely to get the company to hire more pilots.
I always tell my friends, one of the reason pilots get paid what they do is to miss Christmas and children's birthdays. However, what EK pilots are doing is well above and beyond.
I, (Yes this is my personal opinion.) feel that one of the reasons Pilots and FA's get the short end of the stick is precisely because no one in the office has to work with them en masse on a daily basis. They have zero representation in the meeting rooms. EK Pilots work 30% more than when they were hired. In order to translate that over to office staff would mean everyone in EGHQ would be working Saturdays. During ALL measures imposed to "Save the company $$", how many affected only the EGHQ guys vs the Flight crew. Simply put, it's easy to sit in an office impose rules and changes on people you will never have to see. Yes, that last bit was a shot but not at the office staff.
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120feet, agree with you 100% but not SOPS. Those individuals you mentioned have not entered this Company and made any drastic changes to our procedures so to say they 'made' the policy is somewhat misleading. AS certainly has to our working conditions such as flying hours and lack of leave etc but that's simply managing what he was told to enforce from AAR. JA, ED have not made sweeping changes to the way we operate aircraft and the only changes MM has made have, in my opinion, been for the good. More a cultural change towards attitude of training rather than any concrete procedural changes.
In any event, if you flipped burgers in McDonalds, can't see why that wouldn't qualify you to flip one in Burger King. Same process, different Company and all of the above have, at some time or other, flipped burgers. Get my drift?
Harry
In any event, if you flipped burgers in McDonalds, can't see why that wouldn't qualify you to flip one in Burger King. Same process, different Company and all of the above have, at some time or other, flipped burgers. Get my drift?
Harry
