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Old 26th Dec 2012, 09:27   #1 (permalink)
 
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Correct Phraseology?

Hello all!

Quick question:

Can someone please clarify what is the correct phraseology for a rejected takeoff? Is it:

" _ _ _ _ _ rejected takeoff "

" _ _ _ _ _ stopping "

or is it something else?


Thanks in advance for your responses!
p.s.... i could not find the answer in CAP 413
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Old 26th Dec 2012, 09:39   #2 (permalink)
 
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We got formerly tought:

"_ _ _ _ _ STOPPING" (via ATC, is the official and correct version)

but the callout in the cockpit according to your companies procedures can be

"REJECT !" - "ABORT" or whatever your OM states.
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Old 26th Dec 2012, 10:02   #3 (permalink)
 
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and don't forget when operating in the Gulf or Sub Continent you are required to report "Fully Stopped"

Last edited by Laker; 26th Dec 2012 at 10:03.
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Old 26th Dec 2012, 10:44   #4 (permalink)
 
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In Jeppesen, Air Traffic management DOC 4444:

The phraseology they refer to use is:

"...........STOPPING"

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Old 26th Dec 2012, 13:58   #5 (permalink)
 
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and don't forget when operating in the Gulf or Sub Continent you are required to report "Fully Stopped"
.... and the skipper has to respond with "checked" ....
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Old 26th Dec 2012, 19:27   #6 (permalink)
 
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ah... you've missed the latest FCI. The call is "stopping normal".
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Old 26th Dec 2012, 20:57   #7 (permalink)
 
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cheers guys!

just gotta love the EK banter!
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Old 27th Dec 2012, 14:33   #8 (permalink)
 
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"This is your captain speaking........ohhhh......errrr.....stop??? Maybe?.."
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Old 27th Dec 2012, 20:00   #9 (permalink)
 
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cm1: wanting stoping....

cm2: roger

cm1:ready?

cm2 : ready

cm1: stop

cm2 checked

cm1. roger that

.....
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Old 28th Dec 2012, 04:03   #10 (permalink)
 
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what is most annoying is the guy that always wants to say the last word in the form of "check"

CM1: 3000 feet set
CM2: check
CM1: check
CM2: umm, check?
CM1: check
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Old 28th Dec 2012, 07:25   #11 (permalink)
 
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Surely it's "....Stopping - إن شاء الله "
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Old 28th Dec 2012, 08:16   #12 (permalink)
 
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Must be the silly party season. Guy asks a sensible question, actually, gets the right answer but opens the flood gates for a bit of banter. It all changed when I was a one ringer at LHR. Call on the flightdeck to other crewmembers was "Abandon". It was so long ago that I cannot remember why it changed to "Stop". However, in the sim, my check, bolting down the runway, bell, fire, swing too............gees, kept it straight but exclaimed " Abaaah.strop"! Took a few moments for all of us to get settled for the repeat .
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Old 28th Dec 2012, 08:47   #13 (permalink)
 
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As I said before. The wording within your company might be different every time. There is NO-HAVE-TO-BE phrase that is the same in every company.

EXCEPT the call via radio. That one HAS to be: "_ _ _ _ _ STOPPING!"


You could for instance say: "GIROOONIMOORE!" instead of "Abort", "Abandon" or whatsoever. If your Operations Manual and company procedures state that this is the standard procedure (if its certified by the local CAA) - you have to follow it.
Only the radio call has to be the correct wording in EVERY airline.

If the ATC wants to be correct its the same thing:

"Report ready for departure"(Holding Point or Lined up) - "Cleared for Takeoff" (given from ATC), so one doesnt confuse (careful-old procedure) "report ready for takeoff" with " chrrchrr chr r takeoff - roger, cleared for takeoff" while actually it shouldve been a waiting order instead.

If you say e.g. "Abandon" via radio - Of course common sense will tell you that there is an aircraft on the runway that intends to stop. But you dont know for certain. It could also be the last vectorclearance given to someone else by ATC and someone shouts "Abandon" because he might be on the same trail (just an example).
Correct wording is very important - and is a failure critique point in many checkflights.
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