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Old 14th Jun 2012, 14:37   #101 (permalink)
 
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My God thats funny.Archer hasn't even started yet and he is already learning how EK behave when it suits them.You would think they should at least wait until he resigns from his job and gets here before they start screwing with him.Then it will be too late
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Old 14th Jun 2012, 16:01   #102 (permalink)
 
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"What happened was that EK had about 100-150 guys in the pool and "cherry-picked" those that had Boeing or Airbus time. The rest unfortunately, never made it out."

For what I know EK already "cherry-picked" the Airbus rated guys.
But who is going to fly the new T7's?
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Old 14th Jun 2012, 16:43   #103 (permalink)
 
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Don't worry there is plenty of 73ng pilots on the list. Again supply and demand. As well as 76/74 currently no shortage.Ek seems to get lucky all the time. From what I hear, for the mini bus, only 320 /330 CCQ's and even a fair number of 330 pilots applying and on course.
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Old 14th Jun 2012, 16:53   #104 (permalink)
 
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fatbus,

No, this means that I was expecting more from these guys.

Aviation sucks right now, 70 or 80% of the pilots are having short term contracts or problems with their current companies (example of IB pilots in Spain), and when they expect to move to some stable and nice place, they discover the ugly truth and that is that EK is not the exemption.
They present themselves as a professional, respectful and modern company (and I'm sure they are) but if they need they won't hesitate at all to suck your ass deep and hard.
I did my job, got the minimum hours, prepared for the assessment and did it well. And now I'm at home reading these emails and honestly I just can't believe it.

Some guy is asking if they are giving priority or not to the Airbus experienced guys and the answer is YES, definitely. One of the guys with me in Dubai (flying 320) has received already an email saying he's starting soon (maybe July). Another one just received the "second type" of email.
And by "second type" email I mean that they're sending 2 kinds of emails. First one, like mine, is that they didn't have time to review my profile and to pass it through the approval procedure so they're unable to give you a welcome or "yes you did it".

The second one is exactly the same email but changing some paragraphs. These different sentences are quite important because even if they inform them that EK is experiencing some delays, they tell them that they have been included in the pool so they have been found suitable for a F/O position.

Who is receiving this email? The Airbus guys. If you fly in an Airbus they take 2 minutes to review your application and to tell you YES you're in.
If not, you get the 1st kind of email and you're basically ******.
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Old 14th Jun 2012, 18:05   #105 (permalink)
 
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So can we establish:

From what assessment date are those who were successful in the pool, and not on courses?

I assessed mid march and am currently in the pool.
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Old 14th Jun 2012, 18:23   #106 (permalink)
 
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So basically, they're telling the guys they know they will need if they're in. And for the rest they're holding off getting your hopes up before necessary, in case they don't need you...?

And the problem is....?

Trust me you do not want to be in the position of those CC a couple years back who had already resigned, sold houses, cars etc and then to be told, oops sorry we don't actually need you...

In the current situation it may be better that they are not getting in touch right away, as frustrating as it can be.

And as the others say, get used to the 'Dubai Run-Around'- it's part of life here. Either you let it get to you, or you go home and have a nice glass of grape and learn to deal, like I did today. Apparently being 'on-time' is only important for those of us working on the aircraft/at the airport.... not half of the office...
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Old 14th Jun 2012, 18:24   #107 (permalink)
 
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So can we establish:

From what assessment date are those who were successful in the pool, and not on courses?

I assessed mid march and am currently in the pool.
I assessed mid Feb and am in the pool. From what I know the week before me had all got start dates. The bus rated guys in our week got start dates, the rest of us are swimming...

The latest email just confirms what we all knew anyway. However, after reading the recent posts on other threads and press interviews with EK it seems like they have (or are coming too) some sort of resolution on the wing issue. Which indirectly I believe may have started the need for a pool. With the 6 a/c held in Toulouse coming through in Sept & Oct, and the remaing to come as soon as released from the manufacturing line. I was hoping that come the end of the summer the pool will start to drain again........hopefully.
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Old 14th Jun 2012, 18:36   #108 (permalink)
 
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Givemewings.

Believe me if I tell you that I'm used to so many things and so worst than Dubai.
I've been for long flying in a really crazy company and country, but, you don't expect that when you get in touch with one of the biggest companies in the world. That's it.

P.S:

As far as I know, guys from mid April to early May are just waiting without any confirmation. Guys from early April are in the pool.

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Old 14th Jun 2012, 19:20   #109 (permalink)
 
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Archer,

Just for you to know, the Airbus guys are not just getting a rubber stamp applied to their application and dropped in the pool. I assessed in early April and there were three Airbus pilots in the group, myself included. Only very recently one of our number received the "second" email and the other two of us are still waiting. It may be that Emirates are focusing on Airbus guys at the moment, but no doubt that will change again before too long.

If the news about 6 A380s coming later this year is true, then assuming EK needs about 25 new pilots per aircraft, that is 150 pilots. That could well drain the hold pool very quickly, to say nothing of the steady deliveries of 777s. If Airbus has got the wing cracking sorted, and it looks like they have, then we could see the pace pick up again in recruitment.

Some of us have been waiting upwards of two months to hear about the state of our applications. Friends of mine there who interviewed last year heard back in less than two weeks, so you can imagine how the delay is wearing our nerves out after so long. If it's taking this long then there is doubtless a good reason why Emirates need this much time, and we can only be patient. There really isn't much we can do to speed the process other than take solace that we put our best effort forward in Dubai, and hope that is enough to convince EK of our worth. We can't influence the process anymore, so sit back and enjoy the ride. I think a lot of us have been waiting years for the chance to join Emirates, so waiting a few more months hardly seems to matter.

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Old 14th Jun 2012, 19:48   #110 (permalink)
 
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All I hope for is a call before next April, it would be a huge bummer to be flushed out of the pool.

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Old 15th Jun 2012, 20:47   #111 (permalink)
 
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fatbus,

I'm neither Bus nor Boeing rated. Do you imply that after being successful and put in the pool they wouldn't hire me even if they need pilots? Well that would worry me
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Old 16th Jun 2012, 06:38   #112 (permalink)
 
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I dont think anyone is saying they wont wont hire you fullstop... They will take airbus and boeing guys first...
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Old 16th Jun 2012, 08:43   #113 (permalink)
 
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Well, to put a 320 guy on the 330 is about saving money and time. Differences course will take hoy long? A couple of weeks?

Putting a 737 or 757 guy on the 777 means a new TR so, time and money should be the same as moving there a CRJ or MD pilot.

It makes sense to give priority to the bus guys but in the future I don't think they will give priority to a Boeing guy in front of, let's say, a CRJ pilot.

Anyway, all of this is just opinions or "maybes". Never know.
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Old 16th Jun 2012, 08:57   #114 (permalink)
 
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It makes sense to give priority to the bus guys but in the future I don't think they will give priority to a Boeing guy in front of, let's say, a CRJ pilot.
Why not? They've done it before....
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Old 16th Jun 2012, 09:05   #115 (permalink)
 
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Actually Archer,

A boeing pilot will always get priority over a CRJ or MD pilot (for a Boeing course). Simply because they are familiar with the Boeing 'way' (esp 737NG guys) and from experience have fewer issues with the transition.

Its a bitter pill to swallow but that's how its done.

Quite frankly I think 320 guys will struggle if they go ahead with the CCQ course only because the Emirates SOP's are.... long winded. 2 weeks ground school then line training will have your brain melting i think. Unfortunately a hand handful of line 'trainers' will check you as if your on a command course. Most are great just some have no idea how to train.
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Old 16th Jun 2012, 14:51   #116 (permalink)
 
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How different are the EK SOP's from Airbus SOP's... Any example you could share?
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Old 20th Jun 2012, 18:03   #117 (permalink)
 
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hopefully swimming now after a while waiting for confirmation.

Will appreciate if guys been called soon post here their starting date and how long was the waiting to get a date.

Maybe we can then have a close idea.

Good flights!
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Old 21st Jun 2012, 06:14   #118 (permalink)
 
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EK Sop's are very close to Airbus Sop's, EK is just very picky about doing it their way or should I say the UK way or the OZ way or the US way, there is where the big problem is, "different" ways of doing the same thing, a truly Dubai thing "same same but different" if you come here you have to get use to that and alot of OIC
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Old 21st Jun 2012, 08:46   #119 (permalink)
 
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Does anyone know if any CCQ cse have been allocated yet?

Indeed does anyone in the 'inner circle' have any information that CCQ cse have been penciled into the 330 sim program ( or booked externally)?

Cheers TS
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Old 21st Jun 2012, 09:01   #120 (permalink)
 
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At least four 380 courses for 330/340 FO's in July. This may help the hold-pool empty a little.
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