EK Hold Pool (FO's)
Aveo,
4 years ago hiring was abruptly stopped because the grown ups thought they could make more money by increasing our hours and paying us less.
I do not know if the 1yr was extended or not. Remember also EK did not have the same number of applicants back then as they do now. No-one really knows what is going to happen next week, let alone in 12 months time.
The Don
4 years ago hiring was abruptly stopped because the grown ups thought they could make more money by increasing our hours and paying us less.
I do not know if the 1yr was extended or not. Remember also EK did not have the same number of applicants back then as they do now. No-one really knows what is going to happen next week, let alone in 12 months time.
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Don,
Thanks for the updates. I've often found your posts to be some of the most reliable and informative on the boards. One thing that troubles me though, a few posts back you seem to give the impression the hold pool is for people who didn't score high enough to be brought straight through, either for hours, non-relevant ratings and the like. My assessment group had fourteen passes, and thirteen of those are treading water. The one exception was a gent with some currency issues creeping up on him.
This kind of pattern seems to suggest that the pool isn't being used a place for the "almost, but not quite there" crowd, but rather as the name suggest a place to keep successful applicants until a space opens up for them to join. Maybe we should call it "the stack" and start issuing expected approach times?
In times gone by maybe the pool was used as a kind of reserve tank incase people dropped out of courses or took other jobs, such that EK could dip in take people to shore up the numbers when necessary. But for now it really looks to me like they are trying to hold on to some candidates that they have no other place to keep. Your thoughts on that, since you seem to be much more in touch with the inner workings of Emirates than a lot of others?
Also with the departure of the aircraft you mentioned, how do you think the overall fleet size will change this year? I read somewhere that every new plane means 26 new pilots, although I no evidence to back that up. And finally, since the new joiners are coming to replace those moving to a more exalted position in life (left seat, A380, etc) it would be nice to know both when any changes are happening inside EK, and what the lead time for training new pilots is. That way we can try to work backwards to an approximate start date if there is one in the future. Thanks for any info you might have.
AP2
Thanks for the updates. I've often found your posts to be some of the most reliable and informative on the boards. One thing that troubles me though, a few posts back you seem to give the impression the hold pool is for people who didn't score high enough to be brought straight through, either for hours, non-relevant ratings and the like. My assessment group had fourteen passes, and thirteen of those are treading water. The one exception was a gent with some currency issues creeping up on him.
This kind of pattern seems to suggest that the pool isn't being used a place for the "almost, but not quite there" crowd, but rather as the name suggest a place to keep successful applicants until a space opens up for them to join. Maybe we should call it "the stack" and start issuing expected approach times?
In times gone by maybe the pool was used as a kind of reserve tank incase people dropped out of courses or took other jobs, such that EK could dip in take people to shore up the numbers when necessary. But for now it really looks to me like they are trying to hold on to some candidates that they have no other place to keep. Your thoughts on that, since you seem to be much more in touch with the inner workings of Emirates than a lot of others?
Also with the departure of the aircraft you mentioned, how do you think the overall fleet size will change this year? I read somewhere that every new plane means 26 new pilots, although I no evidence to back that up. And finally, since the new joiners are coming to replace those moving to a more exalted position in life (left seat, A380, etc) it would be nice to know both when any changes are happening inside EK, and what the lead time for training new pilots is. That way we can try to work backwards to an approximate start date if there is one in the future. Thanks for any info you might have.
AP2
AP,
I have unfortunately have no insider information, other than asking questions of the recruiters etc.
The numbers per airframe depends on if it is Ultra long range, or not. It was once mentioned that EK crewed 10 crews per ULR, and between 6 to 8 crews for the others. I really don't know what the current state of play is. If I divide the number of aircraft by number of pilots I come up with 18 pilots (9 crews) per aircraft. But this includes management pilots etc so I don't know how accurate that would be. I also have no clue as to the aircraft configuration of new deliveries.
I have not got the numbers of deliveries for next year, but, we have 176 aircraft now and have been told the fleet will be somewhere between 260 to 280 by 2025.
Sorry I can't be more help for you.
The Don
I have unfortunately have no insider information, other than asking questions of the recruiters etc.
The numbers per airframe depends on if it is Ultra long range, or not. It was once mentioned that EK crewed 10 crews per ULR, and between 6 to 8 crews for the others. I really don't know what the current state of play is. If I divide the number of aircraft by number of pilots I come up with 18 pilots (9 crews) per aircraft. But this includes management pilots etc so I don't know how accurate that would be. I also have no clue as to the aircraft configuration of new deliveries.
I have not got the numbers of deliveries for next year, but, we have 176 aircraft now and have been told the fleet will be somewhere between 260 to 280 by 2025.
Sorry I can't be more help for you.
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24 777s delivered this year with 6 more Boeings coming next year. Not sure about the 380. I believe it was somewhere around 8-10 this year. As Don mentioned remaining 343's to be parked by next spring. Can't imagine people will be in the pool much longer than 6 months...my $.02
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Previous hold pool.
Aveo,
The last hold pool I think you are referring to, was in 2008. That was at a time when there wasn't a 30 tonne requirement, let alone a 55 tonne requirement.
From my understanding, the "pool" had about 120 in it - some with international "heavy" time, some without and others with everything in between.
Those found most suitable to Emirates' requirements at the time were taken from the "pool". The rest were told they had to re-interview at a later date (that date or any extension not known to me).
I do know at least one that had updated their online applications and were given interview dates to choose from, as recently as early 2012 (these were deferred due to their other commitments). So, after 4 years, they still had their applications "active".
Don't know if any of that information is helpful, but good luck.
The last hold pool I think you are referring to, was in 2008. That was at a time when there wasn't a 30 tonne requirement, let alone a 55 tonne requirement.
From my understanding, the "pool" had about 120 in it - some with international "heavy" time, some without and others with everything in between.
Those found most suitable to Emirates' requirements at the time were taken from the "pool". The rest were told they had to re-interview at a later date (that date or any extension not known to me).
I do know at least one that had updated their online applications and were given interview dates to choose from, as recently as early 2012 (these were deferred due to their other commitments). So, after 4 years, they still had their applications "active".
Don't know if any of that information is helpful, but good luck.
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Update on fleet-specific hiring? Still A330 for all newbies?
So, with more 777s coming and A380 deliveries questionable, at what point will hiring into the 777 begin again? Any estimates? Last I heard was that 777 training was backed-up for months and newbies could assume they would get A330 assignments - still true? Sounds like applicants with only Boeing time were also getting Airbus (previous experience was not an issue).
So, any estimates on when 777 will become an option again for new hires?
Cheers for any updates!
So, any estimates on when 777 will become an option again for new hires?
Cheers for any updates!
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2 new hired going to B777 1 starting this month and the other in September, and 6 going into Airbus 330 starting July/August, the Airbus guys all have Airbus experience before 330/320, the 320 got QCC to 330. the Boeing guys are x- 737 and 767.
all the 8 did the selection in April and been offered courses after 2 weeks in the pool (I am the 9th one who pass but still waiting for start date),
TOGA
all the 8 did the selection in April and been offered courses after 2 weeks in the pool (I am the 9th one who pass but still waiting for start date),
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Toga,
Do you happen to know if they were currently employed or not? What is your current situation re notice period if i may ask? Just trying to get a handle on things since there are many others who have been in the pool longer.....
Thanks
Do you happen to know if they were currently employed or not? What is your current situation re notice period if i may ask? Just trying to get a handle on things since there are many others who have been in the pool longer.....
Thanks
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Kernow,
I've been in the pool since February too (albeit late feb), but there is no doubt there are a lot of parameters coming into play when they pick someone out of the pool.
It will soon be 6 months for us, another 6 to go max so we should know before long, specially as some of us have to give 3 months notice to our current employers.
If nothing happens by late summer early Fall for me, I'll have to look at other options. But hey, this is a long way from now, no stress...
I've been in the pool since February too (albeit late feb), but there is no doubt there are a lot of parameters coming into play when they pick someone out of the pool.
It will soon be 6 months for us, another 6 to go max so we should know before long, specially as some of us have to give 3 months notice to our current employers.
If nothing happens by late summer early Fall for me, I'll have to look at other options. But hey, this is a long way from now, no stress...
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TOGA737
Do you know if there is any difference between these guys and you? I mean, did they call first unemployed guys?
Or some difference in the notice period? What about the ex 737 driver, NG or CL?
Just trying to figure out how they choose from the pool.
I'm unemployed now, no notice period required and about 3k hours on the 737NG. Assessed early May. I just hope the NG experience gives me a chance for the 777
Do you know if there is any difference between these guys and you? I mean, did they call first unemployed guys?
Or some difference in the notice period? What about the ex 737 driver, NG or CL?
Just trying to figure out how they choose from the pool.
I'm unemployed now, no notice period required and about 3k hours on the 737NG. Assessed early May. I just hope the NG experience gives me a chance for the 777
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@ safelife, I don't know what type of course will be given to the 330 guys, all I know they got a start date on the Airbus, however I know the 320 guys got ccq into 330. (I think not any 320 PILOT can get ccq into 330, I am not an Airbus pilot but I heard some 320 guys got full type rating 330, (not in my selection group) but I am not sure)
@ground2fltdec 2 CPT and 6 FO
@archer, the x-737 was flying mix NG and CL
@ground2fltdec 2 CPT and 6 FO
@archer, the x-737 was flying mix NG and CL