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Old 18th Dec 2016, 05:07   #761 (permalink)
 
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Thanks for clearing that up , I'm sure people that are joining feel much more at ease haha!
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Old 18th Dec 2016, 10:44   #762 (permalink)
 
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welcome to my ignore list pfvspnf
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Old 19th Dec 2016, 05:48   #763 (permalink)
 
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Ignoring other people's opinions. I'll give you an "A" for CRM, you must be a bundle of joy to fly with!
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Old 19th Dec 2016, 07:00   #764 (permalink)
 
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Easy boys easy! We don't need personal grudges here!
There are "good" as well as "bad" sides of any organization. In this case Air Arabia/Alpha. This is a platform where such issues can be highlighted. One has to be prudent enough to understand what suits him/her the most...

It's been a few years Alpha has been running and as of today, I offer my personal opinion below. Just for the record, I am long time with Air Arabia and all the info is first hand and not based on what I hear/read!!!! I will save the best for the last so I start with disadvantages first!

Disadvantages of Alpha / Air Arabia
1. MPL course is expensive! (But the fastest way to reach right seat of A320)
2. Delays in training. (All flight schools have delays! Name one school in the world which guarantees a license within the time promised!)
3. No job guarantee. (Most cadets still end up getting contracts. A small percentage don't. You still get your 1500h on A320 and MPL unfreezes to become a "full unrestricted ATPL" unless you yourself drop out of the course or don't make thru the training. So far I am aware of only one cadet who did not make it! Also remember, there are NO GUARANTEES in aviation. It has to be performance based and unfortunately there is no place for non performing guys. Harsh reality but that's how it should be!
4. Low salary initially
5. Some immature cadets (this has nothing to do with the airline/flight school or MPL/non MPL. These exceptions will be the same anywhere they go!)

Advantages
1. Still the fastest why to reach the RHS of a A320
2. Top notch training. Even a brand new FO I fly with does an excellent job!
3. Excellent exposure. One of the finest places to fly in terms of experience. Air Arabia exploits entire envelope of the A320! Hot wx ops, cold wx ops, ETOPS, monsoon, complex airfields, escape routes, uncontrolled airfields, etc
4. Excellent cockpit / management culture. We have open door policy! Free to walk to chief pilot/ director ops anytime! Very friendly atmosphere with ground staff, engineering, cabin crew, etc. Very good CRM, capts don't give hard time to FOs
5. Decent career progression. Several MPL guys successfully flying in EK/EY/Qatar etc. The initial batches who continued to stay back, nearing their command!!!
6. Supportive management. Cadets (if required) are given extra training, observation flights, extra simulator session, extra training flights.

Yes, there are few problems in the company (like any other company) but the fact is Alpha is a successful course for cadets as well as Air Arabia and most people are extremely happy to be here!

Hope this helps!
Happy Holidays and safe flying!
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Old 19th Dec 2016, 15:43   #765 (permalink)


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A known friend of mine wanted to get in this course, he had been saving for it past 3 years.. back then it was only AED 1500/- for the one time assessment fee, which turned to AED 3000/- till early this year and now apparently excluding Class 1 medical (which is around 2500/-) it's around AED 7000/- just for the "selection" assessment only, the overall course fee (excluding assessment and Class 1) went up from around 420,000 couple years back to recently till now something about AED 570,000 and now for next year they are revising the prices (unconfirmed) don't expect anything less, maybe a 600k+... The training centre in Greece for core flying is no more and its currently with G Air in Portugal.. They have a few delays between coreflying and line/base training.. starting salary as junior F.O is 5k AED/month till you do your sectors. Overall costs are excluding accommodation, visa, uniforms, transport to and from the academy etc,. In my honest opinion its too pricey for a Pay~to~fly program but if you've got daddy's money or extra cash to pool out, it's not a bad option as this gets you typed on a A320 with 1500h ATPL. Don't drain down, I've heard better from CTC. It all comes down to personal choice. It is an expensive course but you'll make it through.
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Old 4th Jan 2017, 19:38   #766 (permalink)
 
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K.Swiss!

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I have sent you a pm. Can you please check it?
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Old 11th Jan 2017, 07:11   #767 (permalink)


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Hi everyone, I'm doing the AAA assessment on the 24th Jan and am currently prepping. Appreciate is may not be the most difficult of tests but still would like to be prepared as much as poss.

Does anyone know if you are able to use a calculator on the maths and physics sections? It says we are in the instructions but I'm still not 100% sure if it has changed since the last 'restructure' and they just haven't updates their collateral.

Also are the numerical and scientific reasoning questions or simple questions?

thanks in advance if anyone has additional info.

James
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Old 11th Jan 2017, 17:22   #768 (permalink)
 
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Practice up to a-level standard and you will be fine. It's not a walk in the park, the information is correct. MCQ and calculator allowed.
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Old 12th Jan 2017, 05:47   #769 (permalink)
 
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They just want your money , most people will have no issues
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Old 12th Jan 2017, 09:43   #770 (permalink)
 
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Guys this programme is a royal rip off.

Have you guys lost your minds?
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Old 12th Jan 2017, 21:13   #771 (permalink)
 
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Guys this programme is a royal rip off.

Have you guys lost your minds?
1500H guranteed, are you factoring that in to price? I still agree with you, but your looking at roughly the same cost even for other MPL's out there. Although they are still a little cheaper.

This thread is going around like a circlejerk with the same discussion.
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Old 12th Jan 2017, 23:10   #772 (permalink)
 
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1500H guranteed, are you factoring that in to price? I still agree with you, but your looking at roughly the same cost even for other MPL's out there. Although they are still a little cheaper.

This thread is going around like a circlejerk with the same discussion.
So is this a Pay2Fly scheme now? Paying cos you get 1500 hours?

It is absolutely mad, the cost of the course is absolutely through the roof at 130,000 and that does not even include visa costs (how greedy are this school!? - that is a new low)
The starting pay is not enough to live on at all in that area and so you will likely have to borrow more cash to survive even AFTER training.

Oh and the selection is 700!? It leaves a reasonable thinking person speechless.

Sorry, I am totally lost as to who in their right mind can see this as a good deal.

You are being fleeced. Plain and simple. Add up the MPL costs, what you are paying, compare salaries on this scheme to others - it is very clearly the worst deal of the lot. Unless I was not accepted anywhere else/failed on all the better courses I would not go near this place - it will be a backup for severe failure.
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Old 13th Jan 2017, 04:06   #773 (permalink)
 
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It's a bunch of rich kids with a fancy toy that happens to be an a320.

To answer the posters question the assessment shouldn't be difficult at all but you must be warned of Alpha and ABYs constant change in policies and unforeseen delays.

When the pilot factory continues at the pace they're going at , there's not going to be jobs for everyone and to even get to 1500 hours might take a long long time
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Old 13th Jan 2017, 21:27   #774 (permalink)
 
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paying 500k plus to graduate after taking 2.5 years and getting 5000 aed pay coupled with un predictable for the first 6 months in line training is something you need consider before joining this course. it is not recommended if you take loans or have any other personal commitments. certainly not recommended to leave their jobs for this course unless you work part time.

the course requires a huge amount of commitment and dedication, the "rich kids" change over time as they go through this course.


1500 hours is not guarenteed !!! , there are numerous check rides and exams that you have to pass. The management considers failure very strictly and does NOT hesitate to remove incompetent cadets regardless of the 1500hrs.

if you join this course, here a few tips,

1. Study hard
2.dont cheat
3.show a positive attitude
4.dont take loans or have any commitments
5.Dress and groom professionally, even if you dont wear the uniform.
6.Respect your roster and be Punctual.

all the best
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Old 18th Jan 2017, 14:28   #775 (permalink)
 
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Good amount of female:male ratio. Not 1:1 but it's not bad.
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