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I dont have to repeat myself as the posts above yours has written about sim that you are so proud of. PP C000- I am sure you must be glad to read so many negative posts written about Alpha by your present and past cadets, instructors and staff who are well aware how Alpha works. It must be making interesting reading for your prospective cadets. Imagine this pprune has a treasure trove of so many negative posts that Alpha can be proud of. No wonder the present management has to spend all their energy to defend Alpha.
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RP-C000
How much of this corresponds to the reality?
"About Alpha Aviation Group
Alpha Aviation Group, Ltd., together with its subsidiaries, Alpha Aviation Academy Europe, Alpha Aviation Academy UAE and Clark Aviation in Philippines, is a leading flight academy, specializing in the training of professional pilots. Their capabilities span the entire spectrum of professional pilot training from ab-initio level, through Boeing and Airbus type rating to the qualification of airline instructors and examiners. Their reputation for innovation was exemplified when the Company was awarded the 2007 Frost & Sullivan Award for Strategy and Innovation in commercial aviation training in Asia Pacific. Alpha Aviation Group is the world’s largest and most experienced Multi-Pilot License (MPL) training organization with partner airline programs in both the Philippines and UAE. In addition to their flagship MPL Program, Alpha Aviation Academy has recently introduced a CPL / IR Course in Philippines and will be adding further products over the coming months. The arrival of the Ascent® XJ Trainer™ will complement Alpha’s existing B737NG and A320 Full Flight Simulators in the UK and Philippines and further re-enforce the Company’s ability to ensure that ab-initio pilots are as well prepared as possible for their first job in a modern jet airliner. The company was founded in 2006 and is headquartered in London, the United Kingdom."
Where else can we find a reference to this "Award"?
"Their reputation for innovation was exemplified when the Company was awarded the 2007 Frost & Sullivan Award for Strategy and Innovation in commercial aviation training in Asia Pacific"
How much of this corresponds to the reality?
"About Alpha Aviation Group
Alpha Aviation Group, Ltd., together with its subsidiaries, Alpha Aviation Academy Europe, Alpha Aviation Academy UAE and Clark Aviation in Philippines, is a leading flight academy, specializing in the training of professional pilots. Their capabilities span the entire spectrum of professional pilot training from ab-initio level, through Boeing and Airbus type rating to the qualification of airline instructors and examiners. Their reputation for innovation was exemplified when the Company was awarded the 2007 Frost & Sullivan Award for Strategy and Innovation in commercial aviation training in Asia Pacific. Alpha Aviation Group is the world’s largest and most experienced Multi-Pilot License (MPL) training organization with partner airline programs in both the Philippines and UAE. In addition to their flagship MPL Program, Alpha Aviation Academy has recently introduced a CPL / IR Course in Philippines and will be adding further products over the coming months. The arrival of the Ascent® XJ Trainer™ will complement Alpha’s existing B737NG and A320 Full Flight Simulators in the UK and Philippines and further re-enforce the Company’s ability to ensure that ab-initio pilots are as well prepared as possible for their first job in a modern jet airliner. The company was founded in 2006 and is headquartered in London, the United Kingdom."
Where else can we find a reference to this "Award"?
"Their reputation for innovation was exemplified when the Company was awarded the 2007 Frost & Sullivan Award for Strategy and Innovation in commercial aviation training in Asia Pacific"
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Recognizing outstanding achievements across industrial technologies
Google is your friend.. am sure your next comment will be that AAG some how convinced F&S to give them an award..childish !..
Google is your friend.. am sure your next comment will be that AAG some how convinced F&S to give them an award..childish !..
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it is NOT a 737sim this is a specific sim for MPL courses
RP-C000, in either case, whether a proper sim or not, it’s still configured like a B737 i.e. with a control column instead of a side stick, and performance and systems like a B737 rather than an A320...and again the same question...why go for a B737 type, when there are plenty of MPL configured sims out there that can represent an A320? Would'nt that be better for continuity of training in all three phases of sim work?
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Is AAA still rubbish? Didn't follow this thread for a long time now. Only bashing and f*cking this thread.. But if AAA is f*cked, it has to be f*cked here too right?
But still things didn't improve? Is Air Arabia going to cancel their agreement with AAA?
What are the current highlights?
But still things didn't improve? Is Air Arabia going to cancel their agreement with AAA?
What are the current highlights?
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All is great in AAG-land
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"No, AAA is great and the relationship with Air Arabia is as strong as ever and growing."
Stratocruiser clearly you are from Alpha Aviation management. The GCAA shutdown Alpha Aviation MANY MONTHS AGO from taking any new cadets until the corruption allegations in Sharjah have been addressed and the unacceptable treatment of cadets changes. The flightline was shutdown and will never re-open because 3 crashes in a year became intolerable to the GCAA.
Is AAG-Sharjah still totally banned from new students? If so, how do you reconcile the above statement "AAA is great?"
P.S., still waiting for your (AAG / Clark Aviation management) reply regarding the AAG-Philippines disaster where you have 3-4 aircraft to share between 30 plus CPLIR students each needing 200 plus hours flight time. Are you still doing the maths to work out how many years each cadet will take to get their CPL?
Please dont send me a link to the Alpha website as the response, it does nothing in terms of credibility.
Bennyboy1 February 2012
The GCAA has placed a ban on the intake of all new cadets until such time as a they address the corruption allegations regarding back dating of contracts (with new conditions) forced upon cadets who were 4 months into the program and already paid their tuition fees, the numerous allegations of allowed cheating during ground school exams and the non existence of a proper and thourough pre-entrance pilot aptitude testing regime.
"No, AAA is great and the relationship with Air Arabia is as strong as ever and growing."
Stratocruiser clearly you are from Alpha Aviation management. The GCAA shutdown Alpha Aviation MANY MONTHS AGO from taking any new cadets until the corruption allegations in Sharjah have been addressed and the unacceptable treatment of cadets changes. The flightline was shutdown and will never re-open because 3 crashes in a year became intolerable to the GCAA.
Is AAG-Sharjah still totally banned from new students? If so, how do you reconcile the above statement "AAA is great?"
P.S., still waiting for your (AAG / Clark Aviation management) reply regarding the AAG-Philippines disaster where you have 3-4 aircraft to share between 30 plus CPLIR students each needing 200 plus hours flight time. Are you still doing the maths to work out how many years each cadet will take to get their CPL?
Please dont send me a link to the Alpha website as the response, it does nothing in terms of credibility.
Bennyboy1 February 2012
The GCAA has placed a ban on the intake of all new cadets until such time as a they address the corruption allegations regarding back dating of contracts (with new conditions) forced upon cadets who were 4 months into the program and already paid their tuition fees, the numerous allegations of allowed cheating during ground school exams and the non existence of a proper and thourough pre-entrance pilot aptitude testing regime.
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kinda busy but i have time to make a post with some info regarding australia!
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I know somebody on the programme and can assure you that AAG doesn't do anything on the cheap. The Ground School uses world class materials, the flying is carried out in conjunction with a first-class training school in Australia and the FNPT II and FFS are state of the art.
The ground school is first class?! In which dream world are u living in?! I have completed my ground school which is a converted hangar. When i joined we did not even have decent toilets! Our ground school was closed for a day of two when they upgraded the toilets. Which first class company allows for that to happen? Secondly the captains who teach us are good yes but the facilities they get are below par. They found it difficult to teach us stuff in AGK since they did not have prototypes for certain items. They always said that a turbo prop which is no longer in use would be useful for teaching purposes! They asked the alpha management for it but it was never provided.
Taras B
2. Alpha was asked to organize travel insurance for the MPL cadets before they arrived in Australia. However the majority of these MPL cadets going to Australia for training are arriving without any insurance, which makes it very expensive when they have to go to the doctor. The students who have arrived with insurance, have done so at their own expense. If those uninsured are involved in a barroom scuffle or a slip on a banana peel and break a bone, is Alpha going to pick up the hospital bill? Not likely. It is also unlikely that Australian Immigration is unaware of the students' uninsured status--and they are very strict about this sort of thing.
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3. Alpha was also asked to organize formal winter uniforms for the students when they arrive in Australia. However this was not done, and the students are arriving in the cold weather, and expecting to be issued winter clothing from AAPA. And I can tell you, decent winter clothing is very expensive in Australia.
I can agree with that! Especially the latter one. The students from the first batch mentioned how Alpha never gave them winter clothings when they went to Aus. Alpha promised it to them but never got one. Then when they went to Aus with their own winter clothing they were all banned from wearing it since it did not match the uniform! AAPA ended up giving each of them coats and jumpers which only makes AAG end up paying more money. BAD BAD planning. If AAG had given them jumpers in the first place they would never had to pay extra to AAPA.
Lastly Taras B
4. Alpha recently received a phone call from a student in India who has already done 40 hours of C172 flying in India, and wanting to join the MPL course. They told him that he could join the MPL program in Sharjah and be exempt from flying 40 hours due to his previous experience (which is not true), and also told him that he can continue his training in Australia in the Cessna 172 with AAPA (which again is not true – AAPA have a fleet of all Piper PA 28’s). Furthermore, they also told him that when he finishes the training in Australia, he can work for AAPA or Regional Express in Australia if he wants to (again, if he is not an Australian resident – no chance).
Yes, AAPA does not have any C172 and some 25 Piper PA 28's but the flying school next to them has a Cessna 172. I am guessing that this student will have to pay to hire that aircraft which will only be more expensive for them And Rex will not hire him. From what i know (and i know that i am right, asked the AAPA students) Rex makes the students which they select to join AAPA sign contracts to make them work with REX for several years. The student only pays 2/3 of the total fees and the final 1/3 comes from their wages. Since this student has not signed a contract with rex from the very beginning he will not get a job.
Stratocruiser377
I know somebody on the programme and can assure you that AAG doesn't do anything on the cheap. The Ground School uses world class materials, the flying is carried out in conjunction with a first-class training school in Australia and the FNPT II and FFS are state of the art.
The ground school is first class?! In which dream world are u living in?! I have completed my ground school which is a converted hangar. When i joined we did not even have decent toilets! Our ground school was closed for a day of two when they upgraded the toilets. Which first class company allows for that to happen? Secondly the captains who teach us are good yes but the facilities they get are below par. They found it difficult to teach us stuff in AGK since they did not have prototypes for certain items. They always said that a turbo prop which is no longer in use would be useful for teaching purposes! They asked the alpha management for it but it was never provided.
Taras B
2. Alpha was asked to organize travel insurance for the MPL cadets before they arrived in Australia. However the majority of these MPL cadets going to Australia for training are arriving without any insurance, which makes it very expensive when they have to go to the doctor. The students who have arrived with insurance, have done so at their own expense. If those uninsured are involved in a barroom scuffle or a slip on a banana peel and break a bone, is Alpha going to pick up the hospital bill? Not likely. It is also unlikely that Australian Immigration is unaware of the students' uninsured status--and they are very strict about this sort of thing.
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3. Alpha was also asked to organize formal winter uniforms for the students when they arrive in Australia. However this was not done, and the students are arriving in the cold weather, and expecting to be issued winter clothing from AAPA. And I can tell you, decent winter clothing is very expensive in Australia.
I can agree with that! Especially the latter one. The students from the first batch mentioned how Alpha never gave them winter clothings when they went to Aus. Alpha promised it to them but never got one. Then when they went to Aus with their own winter clothing they were all banned from wearing it since it did not match the uniform! AAPA ended up giving each of them coats and jumpers which only makes AAG end up paying more money. BAD BAD planning. If AAG had given them jumpers in the first place they would never had to pay extra to AAPA.
Lastly Taras B
4. Alpha recently received a phone call from a student in India who has already done 40 hours of C172 flying in India, and wanting to join the MPL course. They told him that he could join the MPL program in Sharjah and be exempt from flying 40 hours due to his previous experience (which is not true), and also told him that he can continue his training in Australia in the Cessna 172 with AAPA (which again is not true – AAPA have a fleet of all Piper PA 28’s). Furthermore, they also told him that when he finishes the training in Australia, he can work for AAPA or Regional Express in Australia if he wants to (again, if he is not an Australian resident – no chance).
Yes, AAPA does not have any C172 and some 25 Piper PA 28's but the flying school next to them has a Cessna 172. I am guessing that this student will have to pay to hire that aircraft which will only be more expensive for them And Rex will not hire him. From what i know (and i know that i am right, asked the AAPA students) Rex makes the students which they select to join AAPA sign contracts to make them work with REX for several years. The student only pays 2/3 of the total fees and the final 1/3 comes from their wages. Since this student has not signed a contract with rex from the very beginning he will not get a job.
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Hi
Hi everyone
On a different note, considering the current circumstances of AAA do you think that there are opportunity at Airarabia for pilots who have a CPL from elsewhere?
Thanks
On a different note, considering the current circumstances of AAA do you think that there are opportunity at Airarabia for pilots who have a CPL from elsewhere?
Thanks
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Yes, AAPA does not have any C172 and some 25 Piper PA 28's
Honestpilot, I don’t think AAPA has 25 PA28’s, I think it’s more like around 14 – 16, and a few Seminoles too. And last I checked, they cannot train private students on C172’s, especially when they have a fleet of brand new PA28’s. Considering insurance and cross-hire conditions, this would not be cost effective. I will have to confirm this, but I think the Alpha students currently training there will have to do some kind of upset training on the C172, because the PA28 is not capable of doing what is required by the GCAA, however this is only one flight.
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Good luck to the 14 cadets if they started their training in Sharjah. They would need it if they have joined Alpha after reading the 352 negative posts. Wait their happy days will soon be over when after 5 months Alpha will come up with the contract which will be forced upon them. This is exactly how they work as there is a deliberate attempt to hand down pre dated contracts to cadets. This contract is one sided and goes in favour of Alpha where by cadets lose their right to take legal action on Alpha. Cadets do not take this contract lightly. Do go to GCAA and appeal to them that you do not want to sign such a contract where your sponsor airline is not even mentioned.
Tears will follow soon after Alpha has made all the cadets sign the contract. Process of elimination will begin. At every stage cadets will be entrenched. Alpha has no plan to take all their cadets upto line training. Beaware you were warned in this pprune and inspite of that if you wanted to gamble away your money good luck to you.
Tears will follow soon after Alpha has made all the cadets sign the contract. Process of elimination will begin. At every stage cadets will be entrenched. Alpha has no plan to take all their cadets upto line training. Beaware you were warned in this pprune and inspite of that if you wanted to gamble away your money good luck to you.
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Captain Weird believe me they are all true. We were happy hard working cadets with hope in eyes when we joined Alpha looking towards a bright future as promised by the management. But they were dashed soon and killed by Alpha and our money gone. The irony is that this pprune existed then but I was made not to believe it by the management. Once you set your foot into that office you for sure will be lured into the programme because you will begin to trust them. Then you are taken for a ride. All present cadets know but are trapped in as their money is with Alpha. The ones who come to defend Alpha are the cadets who are extracting extra favours for themselves and of course the management are ever ready to defend Alpha. Look no other thread or rather any aviation academy has so mant negative posts as Alpha
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Stratocruiser - Sharjah flight line was closed voluntarily in December as always planned
So Stratocruiser why are their 4 Sharjah cadets who have now to go to Australia, some with less than 10 hours to fly, to finish their flying training? Why was the flightline closed when these 4 poor wretches were close to finishing????
The GCAA closed the Alpha flightline and banned future intakes of cadets for 4 months because of the crash and ongoing shocking safety record, allegations of corruption and poor treatment of cadets.
Stratocruiser - 3-4 aircraft in Philippines is sufficient for current training demand
3-4 aircraft shared between 30 plus cadets. For the third time Strato, how many years will it take for this group of CPL cadets in Clark to complete their 200 hours with such a pitiful commitment of aircraft to their training? Has anybody told the cadets the bad news?
Strato, exactly what planet do you come from?
So Stratocruiser why are their 4 Sharjah cadets who have now to go to Australia, some with less than 10 hours to fly, to finish their flying training? Why was the flightline closed when these 4 poor wretches were close to finishing????
The GCAA closed the Alpha flightline and banned future intakes of cadets for 4 months because of the crash and ongoing shocking safety record, allegations of corruption and poor treatment of cadets.
Stratocruiser - 3-4 aircraft in Philippines is sufficient for current training demand
3-4 aircraft shared between 30 plus cadets. For the third time Strato, how many years will it take for this group of CPL cadets in Clark to complete their 200 hours with such a pitiful commitment of aircraft to their training? Has anybody told the cadets the bad news?
Strato, exactly what planet do you come from?
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Sharjah flight line was closed voluntarily in December as always planned…
Yes, the company had always planned on closing the flightline by the end of the year. The original date was November, which was then extended to December when they had students who were not finished with Core Flying yet. But after the GCAA found out about a string of accidents, as well as corruption, and poor treatment of not only students, but some of the staff who were working well over legal duty hours to get the students completed, they did the right thing and put a grinding halt to operations in Sharjah.
So it’s all well said and done that the Academy voluntary closed the flight line in December as planned, but this was a month after the GCAA put a stop to everything. If not the remaining students on the flight line would surely have completed flight training, and wouldn’t have to go to Australia to complete.
So it’s all well said and done that the Academy voluntary closed the flight line in December as planned, but this was a month after the GCAA put a stop to everything. If not the remaining students on the flight line would surely have completed flight training, and wouldn’t have to go to Australia to complete.
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I would like to write on behalf of my cadet fried who was entrenched in Australia in core flying. We were in the first batch of 6 cadets who went to Australia for our core flying. My friend faced problems with hand and eye coordination and was removed from core flying after just 22 hours. His parents were informed in Dubai about Alphas decision and on their request he was given another 10 hours. His slow improvements were not taken into consideration and he was then entrenched. He then had a look at his personal documents which were given to the cadets after they had finished their ground school and about to fly to Australia. He had been inducted into the programme with compass score as low as 34%. I would like to know why are cadets inducted into the programme with compass scores as low as 34% and why is this vital information kept away from cadets? Is it not the moral resposibility of Alpha to help such cadets who are unaware of their compass score and the importance of compass scores. After all Alpha must be well aware that a cadet with such low compass scores will face difficulies in flying stage. Such cadets and their families have to really suffer because they were informed by Alpha that they had cleared their selection process. This cadet got 12 out of 35 in his compass scores. According to Oxford aviation academy you need to get 28 out of 42 (67%) to pass. Those achieving a score in the high 20s can be considered to have a good chance of successfuly completing this course. I want all the supporters of Alpha to do some soul searching. Who is responsible for this hard working cadets plight ? Can Alpha give him back one and half years of his life that he has wasted?
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This cadet got 12 out of 42 in his compass scores
Aakhan: No matterwhere you go in the world, Compass (or any other computer based system) scoresare never given to a candidate. It is a confidential assessment for theemployer only.
The outfit in Australiais a very professional Academy from what I hear, and I’m sure there is good reason why your friend was terminated. Aviation is a fast paced industry, and it requires a lot of hard work and study. If your friend couldn’t keep up, then there is a problem. Sure the Academy could have considered his slow improvements, but slow is not good enough. If I’m not mistaken, the Academy gave him every chance they could to help him progress. But is it really fair to waste time and money giving him 200 hours of training to get him up to speed, when the Core Flying phase is only 70 hours?
And the fact that he scored low on the Compass Test leads to another question…why did Alpha offer him a place on the course? I think the answer is very simple: His folks could afford to pay the fees!
The outfit in Australiais a very professional Academy from what I hear, and I’m sure there is good reason why your friend was terminated. Aviation is a fast paced industry, and it requires a lot of hard work and study. If your friend couldn’t keep up, then there is a problem. Sure the Academy could have considered his slow improvements, but slow is not good enough. If I’m not mistaken, the Academy gave him every chance they could to help him progress. But is it really fair to waste time and money giving him 200 hours of training to get him up to speed, when the Core Flying phase is only 70 hours?
And the fact that he scored low on the Compass Test leads to another question…why did Alpha offer him a place on the course? I think the answer is very simple: His folks could afford to pay the fees!
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so Bluesky are you saying that Bill Gate's son would be offered a place at AAG even if he scored 10 in the compass?!
What I am trying to say is that NO matter how rich the family is if the score was low he should not have been offered a place. After all it is in the best interest for everyone!
We all know that families in UAE can afford the fees but not everyone should be offered a place. 100% of the students when show interest in joining alpha are offered a place. This is not good at all! In oxford where they have standards they only offer you a place if u meet them. Money does not influence their decision!
What I am trying to say is that NO matter how rich the family is if the score was low he should not have been offered a place. After all it is in the best interest for everyone!
We all know that families in UAE can afford the fees but not everyone should be offered a place. 100% of the students when show interest in joining alpha are offered a place. This is not good at all! In oxford where they have standards they only offer you a place if u meet them. Money does not influence their decision!
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He joined after recieving a letter from Alpha
Following your successful pilot assessment please find attached a letter offering you a place on the next MPL course. He did not know the facts.
My question is for Alpha. How can you induct cadets with such low compass scores into your course ? Who is responsible for all the time and money wasted and the agony caused to the family and to the cadet. Remember today it is him tomorrow it could be another cadet who is shown the door because he was inducted into the MPL training with low compass scores.
Following your successful pilot assessment please find attached a letter offering you a place on the next MPL course. He did not know the facts.
My question is for Alpha. How can you induct cadets with such low compass scores into your course ? Who is responsible for all the time and money wasted and the agony caused to the family and to the cadet. Remember today it is him tomorrow it could be another cadet who is shown the door because he was inducted into the MPL training with low compass scores.
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Bill Gate's son would be offered a place at AAG
honestpilot, I think you misunderstood my point. And yes, Bill Gate's son would be offered a place at AAG, even if he scored 10 on the Compass test.