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Old 16th Apr 2009, 10:40   #1 (permalink)
 
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EK Commanders Conference

A rostered duty, but AS has decided that Company transport will not be provided for the Commanders Conferences scheduled thru May. I thought our contract mandated that company transport would be available for rostered duties? Am I being petty in thinking this is really taking the p**s.
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Old 16th Apr 2009, 11:35   #2 (permalink)

 
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Am I being petty in thinking this is really taking the p**s
Yes you are!
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Old 16th Apr 2009, 12:08   #3 (permalink)
 
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I was told I would be given a Sim avail in Feb. So does this mean it still might happen?
Do you want me to give you a lift? I have plenty of time as not so many companies are coming back to me for interviews ...
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Old 16th Apr 2009, 12:30   #4 (permalink)
 
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We can always meet down at Spinneys or Park 'n shop carparks and organise a car pool.

What a load of cr@p! No transport for a duty.
This is in the same vein as the cabin crew that HAD to go to these bloody meetings whether they liked it or not. Same with us but only the most priviliged (Captain's only)

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Old 16th Apr 2009, 13:21   #5 (permalink)
 
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To show our contempt, let's all show up some minutes late.

"... the wifey brought the Corolla back late ..."
"... the taxi didn't show up on time ..."
"... we couldn't find a parking spot ..."
"... there was a huge tailback at the SO exit ..."
"... we missed the exit and could only turn in Sharjah, not used to driving ourselves ..."

It will nicely disrupt their poor reality show .
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Old 16th Apr 2009, 14:23   #6 (permalink)
 
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To show our contempt, let's all show up some minutes late.

I would just point out that most of the airline drive themselves to work everyday.
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Old 16th Apr 2009, 15:00   #7 (permalink)
 
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Think we might be missing the point here. Whats this "conference" all about? have they some more bad news??
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Old 16th Apr 2009, 15:11   #8 (permalink)
 
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I would just point out that most of the airline drive themselves to work everyday
Dear Jetty

Such arguments are simply silly.
Each work environement has its rules and regulations. At EK transport to duty is a such and not providing it, even for a special duty is a breach and precedent. Therefore the contempt, because you can then breach anything else, once the precedent set. Comprende?
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Old 16th Apr 2009, 15:23   #9 (permalink)
 
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It would seem that not many turned up for their Thursday Sessions, so now we will all be forced to go, at least its rostered.
Dress code: since I seem to have miss placed my new how to dress page , does company uniform included Hats and Jackets or as we wear to the sim,. Which then brings up another question if we wear the hat can we take it off in the room?
For those with more sartorial knowledge please advise. So much to think about these days would hate to get a fashion violation.
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Old 16th Apr 2009, 15:42   #10 (permalink)
 
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Another good listening to?

OK, TCAS has called a commanders conference. So, it is either another good listening to or perhaps, benefit of the doubt, an attempt to 'receive' as good as he wants us to take.

'The situation is grave' 'you should be grateful you have a job' BS should give way to an open exchange, that means you TCAS, an open exchange of why your management style is losing control at a time when you need all hands to the helm.

Yet you continue to erode Ts & Cs and without exception issue FCI after FC Bl**dy I damning us to share 'the pain' which you so obviously do not, at a time when you need us to comply with edicts you see necessary to reduce costs and save the bottom line.

If this totally superficial vehicle for the managements egos (jobs) is going to take place then we must be prepared. Ask the questions we want answering... answered there and then and not deferred, deflected or otherwise put off.

I'll start:

Why, after numerous ASRs from your commanders on fatigue issues did it take you months, months to do anything about it?

Why, when you tacitly acknowledged the 'fatigue' issue did you continue to produce fatigue ridden rosters?

Why now, when we were striving to improve standards, did we reduce training, put it all 'online' and yet harden PAM requirements to 'appear' to be doing the job properly?

Why TCAS do you 'reserve' the personal right recruit DECs despite many internally qualified pilots and do so in direct contravention of FOM policy? It would never happen at BA so why do you cynically do it here?

Why, when you have a workforce made up of an almost entirely ex-pat base do you limit their ability to return home on their 'days off' (now ADs) and thus deprive the company of income (staff travel) and the pilots themselves the chance to visit families and relatives who cannot travel so easily?

Why are people trapped in sub-standard accommodation (pilots unable to bring families over as they are still in apartments, others on the approach to 30L where babies are woken, rest broken by the noise) despite assurances that they would be provided with decent housing prior to being lured here?

Why, after some have committed to non-company accommodation but waiting for release dates, do you remove the contractual right to an allowance which would give some the chance to remove themselves from some of the sub-standard accommodation?

Why do you restrict access to the flight deck jump seats for ID carrying, fully vetted EK crews trying to find a way home when you have already have 'exceptions' in the FOM?

But my guess is that it is not going to be one of those conferences is it TCAS?

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Old 16th Apr 2009, 18:04   #11 (permalink)
 
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Just a bit of thread creep, but to add to the above post, I've just heard that the VP Flight Safety has resigned over the 'mis-management' treatment of the MEL pilots
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Old 16th Apr 2009, 18:40   #12 (permalink)
 
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its not a duty or training, I am not going
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Old 16th Apr 2009, 18:58   #13 (permalink)
 
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If VP Flight safety has actually done that, then much respect to him. He will be the first person in the mismanagement department (I was going to say team but that would be an insult to the word) to show some back bone and stand up for what is right.
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Old 16th Apr 2009, 20:21   #14 (permalink)
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I wil come...if I can get a taxi.................tossers
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Old 16th Apr 2009, 20:31   #15 (permalink)
 
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I cast my vote for Marooned to be the Pilot Spokesman at said conference meeting!
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Old 16th Apr 2009, 22:22   #16 (permalink)
 
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So no transport, guessing no duty pay. Are they avin a larf. ?
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Old 17th Apr 2009, 04:10   #17 (permalink)
 
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'You can take a horse to water but you can't make it drink'.

I unfortunately will have little to contribute at said conference.

Do you really think our comments will change anything, never have, and never will, until that awful day comes, and sadly with EKs present course it will come.

What do you mean "Why, after numerous ASRs from your commanders on fatigue issues did it take you months, months to do anything about it?"

should read

"Why, after numerous ASRs from your commanders on fatigue issues did you do nothing about it?

sorry to digress....but

The issue with safety in this here outfit has never been with the safety department. They have always strived to to the right thing, and have always been very professional by most accounts. The problem has been interference from above and sideways (HR) by mismanagers who are not qualified to comment, and as usual don't have a clue.

Regarding transport, I guess we can take our parking voucher and get TCAS to stamp it, or get Eds hoof mark for free parking.

I'm sure snacks will be provided, but with a limit of one soft drink or coffee. Pilots who make a suggestion will be thrown a biscuit.
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Old 17th Apr 2009, 05:01   #18 (permalink)
 
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allaru:

I think you are right; from engineering running flight ops to fleets relationship to training or lack thereof, the structure itself flawed. And instead of being an integral part of flight operations flight safety was instead marginalised and prone to interference from purely commercial interests.

Vertical management, which goes right to the top with interference from TC, is always prone to topple eventually.

You are also right that we have been here before and no doubt will be again and NOTHING will be said or done of any value... waste of a day off.
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Old 17th Apr 2009, 06:41   #19 (permalink)
 
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And of course its showing right after the bidding closing, nothing on your personal calendar.
Im bed they will put it right in the middle of your 5 days OFF.to fU your life again?
OH, I forgot, you dont need to travel back home cause your family cant have 2 tickets a year now.PATHETIC
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I bed...too tired to spell it correctly
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