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Old 14th December 2008, 02:41   #1 (permalink)
 
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Saudia

Any PPRuNe members working there? Any inside info on hiring policy, minimums, equipment etc? I am a CRJ F/O a breath from being furloughed. Just weighing different options.
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Old 14th December 2008, 04:33   #2 (permalink)
 
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They are hiring for the airline and the corporate fleet, check out their website for the requirements.

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Old 14th December 2008, 04:59   #3 (permalink)
 
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I did, thank you. Their website seems pretty vague, I thought maybe someone had some specific up-to-date info.
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Old 14th December 2008, 13:28   #4 (permalink)
 
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SV.

Why not make a quick telephone call to the local H.R. Office in Houston ???
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Old 14th December 2008, 14:23   #5 (permalink)
 
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Office in Houston
I thought that they closed the Houston office?

Ike, check out http://sv.net/apps/rec/default.asp?LNG=EN for the requirements.
(Wait at least 2 hours as SV.NET is scheduled to be down until 1400utc)


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Old 14th December 2008, 16:54   #6 (permalink)
 
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Ike, check out الخطوط الجوية العربية السعودية - توظيف for the requirements.
(Wait at least 2 hours as SV.NET is scheduled to be down until 1400utc)
I did that and when I click on "more details" absolutely nothing happens. Additionally, on the website it only says that they're hiring for the 742 and the E190, while I keep hearing from various sources that they're hiring into other aircraft as well. Just wondering if anyone knew more exactly what's going on over there.
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Old 14th December 2008, 17:29   #7 (permalink)
 
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It works for me...................

CAPTAINS: EMB-170 and MD-90
Minimum of 4500 hours total time to include 2000 PIC on commercial jets with a MTOW in excess of 45,000 Kgs or 3000 PIC on jets with a MTOW between 25,000 and 45,000 Kgs ; On joining, selected candidates, must be current and hold a valid, unrestricted FAA Airline Transport Pilot Certificate, preferably with a type rating OR hold a pass in the FAA ATP written exam together with a current ATP equivalent licence. Current FAA First Class medical. Age: 30 – 55 inclusive. At 53 or greater, an FAA ATP with a type rating for the equipment hired. (Possibility for transitions to A-320 exists on operational requirements and qualification conditions). Base Pay: SR.23293.00 PLUS Benefits & Allowances as below.

FIRST OFFICERS : B-747 CLASSIC
Total time 2500 hours to include 2000 hours on commercial jets with a MTOW in excess of 45,000 Kgs OR 1500 hours on jets with a MTOW of 160,000 Kgs and above; On joining, selected candidates must be current and hold a valid FAA Commercial Multi Engine Land Pilot Certificate with instrument rating (FAA ATP with a type rating for the equipment on to which hired preferred). Current FAA First Class medical. Age: 30 – 55 inclusive; Base Pay: SR.20000.00 PLUS Benefits & Allowances as below

Human Resources Administration – London
Email: [email address]
Fax: 00 44 (0) 20 7798 9859


They are also hiring for the Corporate section, looking for Hawker 400 Captains.

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Old 14th December 2008, 08:39   #8 (permalink)
 
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Well, whaddaya know?! I'll give it a shot, perhaps they'll realize I'm hardly a longevity risk.
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Old 15th December 2008, 02:56   #9 (permalink)
 
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Saudi Employment

Hi all , I work for Saudia and almost retiring. Fom my personal point of view of a crewmember I CAN TELL YOU THIS: It's a petty good airline compared to others in he Middle East, but beware of misleading information ( I'm avoiding the word lie) presented by the company in its website and to hiring firms. One example of this is: If you apply for a certain advertised equipment, dont be surprised to end up on a different one, to some people this was advantageous to others unacceptable, but thats how they do it there. Seems like HR people dont speak to operations people. (Anyway they provide the training with no bond)

I guess they are hiring across the board all equipment and all postions since the latest CEO has started a policy of encouraging getting rid of high paid senior crew by not automatically renewing contracts ( as was before) and by encouraging early retirement.

Presently looking for 747-100, 747-300, 747-400 ,MD-11, 777, EJ-170 and very soon the new A-320 is arriving which will require a considerable number of crew ( Saudi Arabian Airlines orders $300M in engines | Aviation) , and a bit sooner the B-787 dreamliner is scheduled to join the fleet (Saudia in talks over Dreamliner - Transportation - ArabianBusiness.com). The present Airbus and MD-90 are being quickly gounded and disposed of.

Although the company is being partially privatized, its still under government control which alleviates some of the global financial problems and gives some sort of job security, but nevertheless you will still suffer the Middle East style management .
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Old 19th January 2009, 01:49   #10 (permalink)
 
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JAA or FAA?

Hi Krypton,

Do you know if they accept applications from JAA licensed pilots rated on those types? I know most ME airlines will accept either FAA or JAA but the earlier posting stated FAA specifically.

By the way, the "More details" button doesn't work for me either.

Thanks
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Old 19th January 2009, 03:54   #11 (permalink)
 
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Mutt,

if an expat join as an FO is there a chance for an upgrade at SV???

Thanks
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Old 19th January 2009, 07:57   #12 (permalink)
 
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A couple of questions...

What's the net monthly pay like for Captains? The pay listed above doesn't seem very impressive compared to other Middle East airlines so I assume there is more to it? Or is the pay for wide-bodies much higher?

Also, what are the requirements for DEC on the 747 (either 300 or 400)?

Is anyone working there happy for me to PM them?

Thanks
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Old 19th January 2009, 18:02   #13 (permalink)
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Krypton - the last time I was in Jeddah was nine days ago, and I already miss it.... I hope you're enjoying the winter weather there. Let me know if you want some recommendations about some excellent seafood restaurants.

flyboyike - Generally speaking, SV is a nice airline to fly for. It's not perfect, but I know a bunch of SV pilots and they always have words of praise about the airline's flight operations department.

I myself am a citizen of Jeddah. I'm currently studying Aviation Management at the University of North Dakota in Grand Forks, ND. This major at UND includes flight training, which will help me to get recruited as a pilot in SV.

Why would I want to become a pilot in SV?

All things considered, there's more than one reason:

- They have a great safety record.
- All of the SV pilots that I know have had good things to say about SV's flight operations department.
- They have a nice salary.
- They have nice employee benefits.
- They are currently modernizing the fleet. This includes gradually phasing out the MD-90's, 747-100B's and 747-300's, and it also includes introducing new aircraft which are the A320's, A330-300's and 787-9's.
- They're based in my hometown, which is Jeddah.

These are the minimum requirements that they have for pilot recruitment that I know of. I don't know if they apply to foreigners, but they do apply to Saudi citizens:

- 320 hours total flight time, including 270 hours on single-engine aircraft and 50 hours on multi-engine aircraft.
- An FAA private pilot certificate, as well as an FAA commercial pilot certificate with an instrument rating and a multi-engine rating.
- A high school certificate.
- An FAA first class medical certificate.
- English language proficiency.
- Successfully passing the recruitment interview.

As for Jeddah, well I've been to several cities in the middle east, and I could say with confidence that Jeddah is one of the best cities in this part of the world. The cost of living here, including the price of renting an apartment and the prices of groceries, are cheaper than some cities in the gulf like Dubai. It's not a perfect city, but its pros more than make up for its cons. There's an abundant choice of many different types of restaurants, including Indonesian, Filipino, Lebanese, and some of the finest seafood in this world. The city is very much used to foreigners, because there are immigrants from several countries. Also, if you're into scuba diving, then Jeddah is located on the eastern coast of the Red Sea, which has some of the finest dive sites in the world. I always do scuba diving in Jeddah with friends; to me, as an activity, it's one of the highlights of the city.

If you have any further inquiries about SV or Jeddah, then let me know.
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Old 19th January 2009, 19:56   #14 (permalink)
 
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I don't know if they apply to foreigners
They dont! Hours for foreigners are MUCH higher.

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320 hours total flight time
According to the students of Rabigh Wings, its less than that.

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if an expat join as an FO is there a chance for an upgrade at SV???
Chance, yes...... certainty NO.

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The pay listed above doesn't seem very impressive compared to other Middle East airlines so I assume there is more to it?
Benefits and allowances will add another 25% or so. PLUS the monthly flight time requirement is less than other ME airlines. PLUS 6 days off per month in a row, with ticket home (Ticket free, airport fees taxes must be paid in certain foreign airports)

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Do you know if they accept applications from JAA licensed pilots rated on those types
They work under the Saudi GACA system which is identical to FAA, therefore you need an FAA licence, BUT it doesnt have to have the type on it, so all you need to do is the FAA written exams and a flight test in a US based cessna.

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747-400 , 777
These are crewed internally, no external hiring.

On a positive note, they finally realized that their housing compound was a slum, so presently spending lots of money bringing it back to the expected standard.

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Old 20th January 2009, 11:49   #15 (permalink)
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hello mutt!
can you pl help with is,,,do you if saudia is recruiting in this moment flights attendents cause i did not see any offers in theire website
thank you very much!!
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Old 20th January 2009, 19:25   #16 (permalink)
 
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ALL Males FA's are Saudi nationals, all female are foreigners and recruitment is generally from Arab countries and Asia. No Europeans hired in last 5 years. Max age 28.

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Old 23rd January 2009, 01:34   #17 (permalink)
 
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i am working as fo B743 in PIA about 4000 hrs on type, any expat fo B747 classic working with saudia, rqst working condtions in saudia, and do u fly B743 also and how long they plan to use B747 classics as the contract is only on B747 classics, if saudia gets rid of classics then ur jobless, cuz i am planning to apply for this job thanks
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Old 23rd January 2009, 01:41   #18 (permalink)
 
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Mutt,

When you say that the 744 is only recruited for internally do you mean Saudi nationals only or anyone already in the company i.e. existing 743 pilots?

Also, do you have any idea when the eight new A330s are due to start arriving?
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Old 20th April 2009, 04:49   #19 (permalink)
 
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Hi there,

I just check on the careers section the terms and conditions for A320 Captain, but no mention on the hourly rate pay. Is it the base pay divided by 70 hours?
Anyone caring to explain?

Many thanks in advance
Safe landings
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Old 20th April 2009, 06:54   #20 (permalink)
 
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24710/70=353 per CREDIT hour. Hourly rate doesnt come into effect until you go into overtime at 70 hrs.

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