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Old 28th Dec 2012, 13:20   #4801 (permalink)
 
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A serious question now: The airline is falling to pieces but regardless we ,at the sharp end must continue to do our jobs. But horror stories are emerging of people flying around with gear down up to 10000, circuits at 300 feet, getting lost in DXB. Don't get me wrong we all know the fault is at our management's feet but this is getting ridiculous. I never was 1 for a clean out in ops but I'm sorry they have all failed & it's time for them to be shown the door. I have never seen the standards in this once great airline drop so low-heads have to roll----basically OPS management have lost it & it's just a matter of time before there's a disaster. Time for Bahrain CAA to step in & do their job & stop the rot. Until then my famiy do not fly with GF. Proper management is due. Enough.
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Old 28th Dec 2012, 13:24   #4802 (permalink)
 
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Sadly awaiting a catastrophe here due to gross oversight by ALL Gulf Air management. We can't afford another GFA072. Time for the kids playing manager to leave the office & replacements found.
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Old 28th Dec 2012, 14:35   #4803 (permalink)
 
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Blsa - the fact is that the embraer pilots contract will finish by the end of this year. We were also told by the managment - (today is our acting CEO) that we would be transferred on the airbus or c-series if delivered.

It seem gulf air and Qatar just won and will be operating in Saudi Arabia now doing domestic flight - maybe this is our lifeline.
Gulf Air, Qatar Airways Win Saudi Domestic-Route Licenses - Bloomberg
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Old 28th Dec 2012, 14:41   #4804 (permalink)
 
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i wouldn't put most of the blame for those issues on the fleet office. I would say our training department has been on a consistent slide for some years now, starting form the top when CR left. These issues have been discussed before and will only get worse with the departure of senior expat trainers.
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Old 28th Dec 2012, 16:34   #4805 (permalink)
 
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Commercial used to come up with ridiculous demands.. Increase in flights, stations etc etc without lookin at crewing requirements, putting pressure on the operation side wich just past it onto planning and the end result is a considerable shafting. The whole system is at fault

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Old 28th Dec 2012, 17:43   #4806 (permalink)
 
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Look,

Here is the where I come down on this one. I personally know people who were made redundant earlier this week and also was posting what I had heard from people who I consider reliable. It is hard for them, will be hard to see friends leave Bahrain, and even I don't know what my long-term security is in this airline.

I wonder about people who get upset with rumours they read on a website which describes itself as a "rumour forum." If you want "official news", read Hello Gulf Air, or wait for the next pilot meeting, memo, or e-mail.

I left this forum a few years ago because I couldn't waste my time reading the bilge the usual suspects did. A few days ago I posted information which I considered accuate and of interest. More importantly, the intention was to be helpful. That is why I posted links to two companies nearby which are looking for Embraer pilots.

Whatever happens at Gulf Air on the weeks and months ahead, I hope that everybody ends up on their own two feet and I think that other companies will be happy to end up with the quality people we have here. Having been through a situation like this myself, I know it is stressful and I always appreciated knowing what was known at the time and what my options were.

Instead I have gotten some emotional and slightly nasty PM's, apparently from colleagues who are distressed by what I wrote. I reget causing that distress, it certainly is not my intent.

I think I will be taking an indefinate break from this forum. These are difficult times at Gulf Air and I hope everybody prospers.

Ma'a salaama.
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Old 28th Dec 2012, 18:43   #4807 (permalink)
 
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Panama Jack. A sad loss loss if you really decide to stop posting. Do not listen to those who, probably have an agenda. Look back over the pages & note that you have support. This IS a rumours & news network for professional pilots. The "rumours" might be disturbing but there is never smoke without fire. Keep posting & keep offering great support. Please.
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Old 28th Dec 2012, 18:53   #4808 (permalink)
 
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But horror stories are emerging of people flying around with gear down up to 10000, circuits at 300 feet, getting lost in DXB.
Please don't tell me this is true. I speak for what I see and do in the Embraer. Everyone is trying to be super efficient, ie; flightplan fuel as much as possible, efficient this that and the other, single pack on the ground to reduce APU fuel burn, thrust idle descents, visual approaches to cut fuel and time, asking for shortcuts and optimum levels.

Anyway, if it doesn't help annyone's case, it fun for sure. And I can use a bit of fun in these dark times...
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Old 29th Dec 2012, 06:22   #4809 (permalink)
 
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You wanna hear more horror stories.. Get an insiders guide to a few of the competitors incidents..fast expanding airlines are pushed to lower their minimum experience requirements to crew flights, but incidents are all very hush hush.
On a brighter note i hear both GF & QR secured the saudi contract to the contrary of what the GDN said, but only an official statement would confirm.
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Old 29th Dec 2012, 06:32   #4810 (permalink)
 
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The Black Light

Gulf Air, Qatar Airways Win Saudi Domestic-Route Licenses


By Deema Almashabi - Dec 28, 2012 5:35 PM GMT+0300Gulf Air and Qatar Airways have been awarded licenses to operate domestic and international flights in Saudi Arabia, the kingdom’s General Authority of Civil Aviation, or GACA, said in an e-mailed statement today.
The two airlines were among 14 who applied for the license.
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Old 29th Dec 2012, 09:53   #4811 (permalink)
 
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Buba, front page of GDN also confirms:
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Saudi licence for Gulf Air

riYaDh: Saudi Arabia’s General Authority for Civil Aviation (GACA) has awarded carrier licences to Gulf Air and Qatar Airways – the first foreign airlines to win such a licence in the kingdom, the Saudi state news agency SPA reported yesterday. The licence, which 14 companies had applied for, is to operate both local and international flights, GACA has previously said. Until now only the national carrier Saudi Airlines and budget airline National Air Services have serviced a domestic market of around 27 million people.

However, having to compete on those with QR is bad news.

@ Landflap, think it is a bit premature to post that the Embraer guys have had their marching orders if even the most junior Emb pilot hasn't heard anything from GF yet. There are rumours and there is scaremongering! Lets try to stay professional here.
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Old 29th Dec 2012, 11:06   #4812 (permalink)
 
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Finaly the GDN got the facts right, they had an article a couple of weeks ago saying otherwise. Well hopefully GF gets its house in order, somehow i feel this time round they'r a bit more serious about gettin things done... Well hopefully lol.
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Old 29th Dec 2012, 15:12   #4813 (permalink)
 
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It will be interesting to see how they plan to level the playing field for the newcomers in the Saudi domestic market. There are very few routes that are suitable for the A320 and with a fare structure that is about 10 years old, its questionable if these routes will be viable?

They could allow open fare structures, but that will have an impact on the countries inflation.

Neither Jeddah nor Riyadh have the required ramp/gate space for any major influx of GF/QR planes.

This will be fun to watch

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Old 30th Dec 2012, 03:12   #4814 (permalink)
 
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To begin with one 330 is grounded and 3 more will be grounded in the coming week
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Old 30th Dec 2012, 03:59   #4815 (permalink)
 
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3 more A330's or in general 3 more aircraft? Engineering is saying the same thing about the Embraers but instead they keep flying in Jan and maybe even Feb

Why on earth would you park the Embraers when the routes they operate are not affacted by this downsizing and those routes are not financially viable if the Airbus operates them? The only argument I keep hearing is high maintenance cost. That wouldn't be so high if you had a bigger fleet of them. Anyway, that's a different discussion...

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Old 30th Dec 2012, 06:23   #4816 (permalink)
 
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Therz rumours that 2 330s are on their way in march 2013. Wonder if all the 330 orders got converted to 320, if not, did they mange to get out of the purchase. Anyways them 320s we have now are all leased i'v been told. It might look like 19 320, 6 330 on the short term 'plan'.

On a different note, a few departments have been shutdown.. The useless cabin appearance department one of them and existing departments to be reduced in size.

Also heard 320 back to 5 crew, 330 10 crew.
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Old 30th Dec 2012, 06:46   #4817 (permalink)
 
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Maybe I'm stupid, but whith the Saudi rights for international flights I think we need more aircraft. Reducing fleet now, with a Christmas gift like this one, is ridiculous. We need airplanes and pilots Don't ya think
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Old 30th Dec 2012, 09:00   #4818 (permalink)
 
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Exactly and do it asap before QR sweeps in. Now is the time to make money and get a solid show up and running with loyal customers.

It should be all hands in deck and use all available assets.
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Old 30th Dec 2012, 10:55   #4819 (permalink)
 
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Well what about the C Series?

Our last pilot meeting with Majali - he told us that we gulf air is going to be the launching customer for bombardier in the middle east. He was very assuring with his answers... He also told us about the renegotiations with airbus in which the A320 replacing the A330 hence it was confirmed a few weeks ago.

Grounding the A330 - It will be very interesting to see the big local boys flying the A320 instead of the A330... Personally I can't see it happening - it will be like a storm in a tea cup. Maybe grounded in Bahrain and then used in Saudi Arabia...

Well let's wait a few more days!!!
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Old 30th Dec 2012, 12:14   #4820 (permalink)
 
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It appears that the license was issued to Gulf Air and Partners...... so who are these partners? Will you actually see present GF assets assigned to Saudi routes, or a new low cost based airline established based in Saudi?

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