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FO flying hours about 4-500 per year so not the place to go for your 900 hour bonanza. ID90 after 6 months, Loganair travel after 3 months.
bantermanter, heroes not gods and don't forget the glint
. Anyone straight from flight school will have to wait for 1500 hrs/ATPL anyway so 3-4 years at 4-500 hours per year is about right for command, however no brown nosing required as long as you're not an utter fuqwit. In short a good company to fly for but look elsewhere if you want 1500 quick hours and offski.
bantermanter, heroes not gods and don't forget the glint
. Anyone straight from flight school will have to wait for 1500 hrs/ATPL anyway so 3-4 years at 4-500 hours per year is about right for command, however no brown nosing required as long as you're not an utter fuqwit. In short a good company to fly for but look elsewhere if you want 1500 quick hours and offski.
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Loganair must be recruiting at the moment, I know someone that had an interview in Glasgow less than a month ago, is now in the holding pool. Aparently very relaxed interview with Director of Flight Ops and Flight Crew Manager. No Sim Check or Tech Questions. Don't know how big the holding pool is at the moment??
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If they aren't recruiting, they soon will be - spoken to a friend still employed, rumours of up to 12 pilots were at Globespan last week!!!!!
Good time to be getting in touch.....
Good time to be getting in touch.....
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spoken to a mate who also works there.dnt believe all you hear,most rumours are spread by people who have problems with or in the company,the grass isnt greener on the other side folks and globespan is'nt as rosy as every 1 makes out to be.
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loganair guys where did you get your loan?
hi all finally, finally just secured first job but must lend the company £12000 on commencement of employment ( which they will pay back over 3 yrs) however despite going to the banks with letters from the company saying that I have secured employment and that they will repay the loan - I have been uable to secure a loan.
I have no bad debts, CCJs etc.. and only a small bit left to pay on a career development loan. The banks seem unable to consider the above letters and are only interested in what I have earned in the last 12 mths - unfortunatley though having been working as an instructor this is not a whole lot.
Have any of you who are happily now employed with Loganair encountered some of the problems and if so how did you overcome this?
Any advice or help would be gratefully accepted as this opportunity has been to hard to come by to lose now.
I have no bad debts, CCJs etc.. and only a small bit left to pay on a career development loan. The banks seem unable to consider the above letters and are only interested in what I have earned in the last 12 mths - unfortunatley though having been working as an instructor this is not a whole lot.
Have any of you who are happily now employed with Loganair encountered some of the problems and if so how did you overcome this?
Any advice or help would be gratefully accepted as this opportunity has been to hard to come by to lose now.
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I'm sorry, I must have mis-read, you want to work for an airline that wants you to lend them money? What the hell has gone wrong with our industry? Next you'll be telling me there are airlines with people willing to pay for their own type ratings!!!!!
Tell them to stick the job! Keep instructing until a decent airline makes you an offer, the idea is you get paid by them and not the other way round!
Tell them to stick the job! Keep instructing until a decent airline makes you an offer, the idea is you get paid by them and not the other way round!
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MVE most airlines seem to be doing this now including Jet2 and sleazy jet i believe. Just the same thing as bonding really.
FFF Congratulations on your first job first of all !!!
I got a pro studies loan from HSBC and it was secured on my parents house. But from what i remember you can get a unsecured load upto 25k. I suggest you take the letter and your parents down to a MAIN HSBC branch. Lots of these local branches haven't got a clue what a pro studies loan is?
Do a search for study loans this has been bashed around a few times.
Good luck
HFS
FFF Congratulations on your first job first of all !!!
I got a pro studies loan from HSBC and it was secured on my parents house. But from what i remember you can get a unsecured load upto 25k. I suggest you take the letter and your parents down to a MAIN HSBC branch. Lots of these local branches haven't got a clue what a pro studies loan is?
Do a search for study loans this has been bashed around a few times.
Good luck
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Many thanks for the well meant lesson but I've been around the block a few times and know very well how the industry works!
I can't believe someone would go in to a bank and ask for 12k to start a job and not expect to be laughed out the bank? Think about it for a second. If the airline can't afford the type rating why would you want to risk it......oh and Jet2 arrange the loan for you and that is slightly different, no different from making you pay for the tpe rating but there we go!
I can't believe someone would go in to a bank and ask for 12k to start a job and not expect to be laughed out the bank? Think about it for a second. If the airline can't afford the type rating why would you want to risk it......oh and Jet2 arrange the loan for you and that is slightly different, no different from making you pay for the tpe rating but there we go!
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MVE True, most of these outfits have an agreement with a bank but the onus is still on you to sort the loan out with them so whats the difference? The 12k is not for the rating but probably for a bonding arrangement.
At the end of the day this is not constuctive for FFF. He/She asked for advice. Advice has been given.
FFF i'm sure your not the first person at loagie bear that this has happened to. Why not ask someone who works for them? Even speak to HR and explain your predicament, they are usually more than helpful.
It has happened to me. I couldn't get my bonding loan with my companies bank so spoke to HR and i now have a written agreement as a bond. Same difference if i leave early i still have to pay my bond off.
FFF good luck i'm sure you'll find a bank more than willing.
HFS
True, most of these outfits have an agreement with a bank but the onus is still on you to sort the loan out with them so whats the difference? The 12k is not for the rating but probably for a bonding arrangement.At the end of the day this is not constuctive for FFF. He/She asked for advice. Advice has been given.
FFF i'm sure your not the first person at loagie bear that this has happened to. Why not ask someone who works for them? Even speak to HR and explain your predicament, they are usually more than helpful.
It has happened to me. I couldn't get my bonding loan with my companies bank so spoke to HR and i now have a written agreement as a bond. Same difference if i leave early i still have to pay my bond off.
FFF good luck i'm sure you'll find a bank more than willing.
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12000 poon
I had the same problems what with moving about alot and applying for credit, both of which will adversely affect your credit rating. My solution was to go cap (literally) in hand to my own bank branch (RBS) and speak very nicely to them, with all documentation at the ready. They were very good and gave me a reasonably competitive rate over three years - which is also the length of time that the company repays you for the 12 grand (+ interest). I set up a separate account for the payment from LC and the loan, which means I can just ignore it and after 3 years I'll be all square. What do you think MVE? It sounds pretty fair to me - I'm not out of pocket and if I leave the company the payments stop and I have to pay the rest of the loan.
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mmmm thats slightly different to what I thought was the plot....I have no problems with bonding, after all a company has to protect it's assets but my previous company had a legal agreement with me to repay my bond if I left within 3 years. I didn't have to go and get a loan to get the job! Just a financial penalty if I left early. The problem comes if you leave and then they have to chase you through the courts if you're dis honest.
It still sounds like a micky mouse outfit if they leave you to LEND them the money for your type rating....my advice give them a wide berth...but I quite understand the pressure to get that first job BUT and it's a BIG but....unless people start giving these schemes a wide berth the companies will never change their terms and conditions.
It still sounds like a micky mouse outfit if they leave you to LEND them the money for your type rating....my advice give them a wide berth...but I quite understand the pressure to get that first job BUT and it's a BIG but....unless people start giving these schemes a wide berth the companies will never change their terms and conditions.
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I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but as of yesterday, Loganair now require you to make a prepayment of £13500 for the type rating on the Saab, which is in no way refunded, followed by a further £6000 for the OPC, Circuits and line training, which they loan to you and you repay (+interest) over 3 years, therefore costing you a total of about £20,000. They will not offer you employment until you have completed the type rating. This also applies to all those already in the holding pool.
Rediculous I know........
Rediculous I know........
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If that is confirmed then that has got to hurt. Also The supply of experienced
candidates may dry up as people with any experience will have other options, especially in the current climate, which don't involve paying that much for an obsolete TP type rating. I would be interested how that figure can be justified. I refuse to beieve the TR on it's own costs that much.
If this is true Logan will be left with nothing but a supply of 200 hr (or dare I say 150 hr integrated) FO's. None of whom really want to be there and all of whom are just treading water till the phone call from a jet. What incentive is there for anyone who actually loves flying and the area to join.
Incidentally do these arrangements apply to D/E skippers?
SK
candidates may dry up as people with any experience will have other options, especially in the current climate, which don't involve paying that much for an obsolete TP type rating. I would be interested how that figure can be justified. I refuse to beieve the TR on it's own costs that much.
If this is true Logan will be left with nothing but a supply of 200 hr (or dare I say 150 hr integrated) FO's. None of whom really want to be there and all of whom are just treading water till the phone call from a jet. What incentive is there for anyone who actually loves flying and the area to join.
Incidentally do these arrangements apply to D/E skippers?
SK
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silverknapper,
Don't tar everyone with the same brush! I will probably go for integrated training, but I would love to fly for Loganair. I'm not from Scotland, but I have family and friends there. And I wouldn't mind getting my hands on a TP.
Don't tar everyone with the same brush! I will probably go for integrated training, but I would love to fly for Loganair. I'm not from Scotland, but I have family and friends there. And I wouldn't mind getting my hands on a TP.
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DB6, Your right, it is taking the piss, it is unbelievable! But unfortuanataly I have read the email form the flight crew manager that confirms it. Dated yesterday. I dont think they can get away with that sum of money for a type rating on their sallary. Im still shocked. Someone needs to stand up to them.
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Its not a good idea to give too much away about yourself in your post,Im sure the FCM hasnt sent that many emails out so there might be a slight chance he's reading this aswell,wouldn't be to difficult to suss out who you are.
I'm afraid that this is just the way our industry is going,blame the many who have come before you and forked out for type ratings.I think that this particular company always bonded people but times have changed and with so many desperate wanabees out there it was only a matter of time before they jumped on the bandwagon.If your unhappy about the terms and conditions email the person concerned and tell him so,after all you still have freedom of choice,you dont have to work for them.
Its not a good idea to give too much away about yourself in your post,Im sure the FCM hasnt sent that many emails out so there might be a slight chance he's reading this aswell,wouldn't be to difficult to suss out who you are.
I'm afraid that this is just the way our industry is going,blame the many who have come before you and forked out for type ratings.I think that this particular company always bonded people but times have changed and with so many desperate wanabees out there it was only a matter of time before they jumped on the bandwagon.If your unhappy about the terms and conditions email the person concerned and tell him so,after all you still have freedom of choice,you dont have to work for them.