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Does anyone have any information about the 737 line- training programme that Pegasus out in Turkey operates? Has anybody undertaken the scheme, did you get a job afterwards? Thank you in advance. O.k. this will not doubt kick off the debate of self sponsored type ratings etc, lets not start another slaging match!

maverick777

The course comprises of a 737 classic type rating, a 737 NG differences course, and 100 hours on line with Pegasus - with a view to long term contract / contract extension.

A friend was very upbeat about the course - he started last september or october. last i heard the last course was to be filled in november / decemer 2005. As its been a while since i was in touch with the guy all these points may be out-dated.

He is based in turkey. He said the life there was great!!!

Theres info on the web about the course if you take the time to search thru the carriers website (which i'm sure you've done already).

If you REALLY want more info i can contact the guy. PM me.

european champion

Im interested in that scheme too.Could you please provide us with more details?(How do we apply,requirements,cost,salary after completion,base,bond period...)

nopoal

So do I. >Thanks for the info.

Regards,

flaps 15 %

maverick777

http://www.pegasusairlines.com/pilot_training_in.html

THIS IS AN EXCELLENT LINK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A friend of mine is getting back to me with further info!

Watch this space !
maverick777

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Hi European champion,
Here is what little information I know. I went to their website www.pegasusairlines.com and under training their is an e-mail address where I sent a copy of my C.V. So far I am waiting to hear back from them. As far as costs, entry requirements, salary after the course, I can’t help you. They appear to do self sponsored in house type rating courses, so a bond would not come into the equation. As for bases, I believe their head office is in Istanbul now if they other bases, once again I don’t know

An2

Next course is planned to be held in May.
80-ish pilots in line, waiting........

Good luck!

maverick777

Pegasus runs his own TRTO in coop. with Turkish Airlines. They are full JAR approved and a member-state of the JAA.

CAE sim's owned by Turkish Airlines

There is no selection procedure to get onto the course. Better to do a refreshment course before you start the course because several people drop out due to failing of a written test during type rating.

In the past they offered a job contract (summercontract) with possible extension after completion of the TR and 200hr line training. Now however they only offer a TR course with 200hrs line training. Past course attendees have a jobcontract with them but it's not certain that they will extend it. 500-800 hours required on type and by the end of the year will POSSIBLY suffice for a job contract.

The cost for the training and 200hrs is 32000euro. The -400 difference training is also included which gives you a 737/300-900 rating on your license.

As above, there is no job guarantee any more. Might change in the future. Main base is Antaly.

No sector pay. 3000 euro a month tax free.

72 (charter) destinations (North Africa, Europe, Scandanavia, Iceland and a small part of the Middle East)

The current outlook for the future of the airline is neutral. They need pilots in Turkey. Usually they only hire Army pilots, but made the exception because of shortness. They have around 10 aircraft on order.

Minimum requirements for the job are fatpl & Mcc. The MCC is included in the course but doing the MCC separately is strongly advised to minimize the magnitude of work required on the course.

maverick777

lgt

Thank you Maverisk777 for your effort!

What a pity no longer summer contracts are offered!!

Özcan

will turkish locals have bigger chances of jobs in pegasus?

not even peanuts

A word of caution,

At the moment there are many foreign F/O's 'working' for Pegasus. They completed their TR last year/recently.Pegasus told them that to complete 200 hours linetraining would take aproximately 3 months after the TR.
In fact, it will take them much longer, hence they can expect their first salaries at least 4 months later than expected.

So, if you are planning to do the typerating at Pegasus and fly hours subsequently, please take into a account a much longer timespan than will be 'promised' to you.


@Özcan,
It seems they prefer Turkish nationals for the long term. The yabancis are just sort of backup.
I believe there are classes starting this year only for Turkish nationals.

Jetavia

For the ones already rated elsewhere and looking to do linetraining with them there will be no courses this year .. first they expected a course for May then I was told August/September and now no course this year...

diverine

I just received the following e-mail below from the training dept. of Pegasus Airlines. I must remind you that I am a non-typed applicant. Honestly, sounds like a to me. If you add up the costs, it comes out to be 28,000 Euros +. And I also condemn the people who are willing to pay all this money upfront.
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I can inform you that the costs involved in participating in our course are approximately as follows (cost may change at the time of training):
Type Rating Training Course (Groundschool, Simulator, Base Training): 20,500 Euro
First 100 hours line training: 7000 Euro
Totals 27,500 Euro
Any hours thereafter: 50 Euro per hour

I must remind you that there may be additional expenses up to 500 Euro for headsets, manuals and uniform.

At this stage I must inform you that there are no job guarantees attached to this course.
The training dept. has advised me that the next course will not be before September.
There is however a waiting list for the next course. Once the next course becomes available I will be contacting applicants in order of date apllied.


Best Regards,

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lgt

So the course for september is full isn´t it? So if you apply right now you will start the TR in september or months latter???

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Diverine

I agree the ethics of buying your own type rating are wrong but the airlines are in a no loose situation.

not even peanuts

...and regardless of ethics. If the course starts in September, expect to fly during the winter season which means that you will fly an avarage '30-something' hours a month (even that can't be guaranteed). They will probably tell you something more promissing however.

quote: "....There is however a waiting list for the next course..."

Either 'sales talk' or there must be a waiting list for desperate and unfortunate wannabees.

During the last meeting the yabancis were told that some have to leave, either during the summer season or after their initial contract. So, please; do yourself a favour by not having any illusions that Pegasus will need you but your money.

lgt

Have they ever rejected anybody to do the TR and then Line Training with them because of any reason? Or does everybody who apply get admited?

diverine

I will try to explain why all this is happening at Pegasus. At least that's what I came up with !
MNG (Cargo) Airlines ceased their passanger operations last Jan. They used to fly B737's. Following that the MNG pilots got hired by Pegasus. As you can figure out Pega currently filled their quota for the summer season.
Now they are fishing for the fall season, because they fear that a big number of their f/o's might transfer - again - to Turkish Airlines in the upcoming months.
For those who are not familiar with the Turkish Aviation, Turkish airlines have been growing rapidly for the past couple of years - especially this year. By August '06 they will have a total of 100+ A/C and not nearly the number of flight crew to fly them.
Btw. Turkish Airlines only hires Turkish nationals...
Pegasus used to sponsor F/O's B737 type ratings in the past (like all other Charter Airlines) with a 3 year, $18,000 bond. Don't forget this agreement is valid for Turkish nationals. -- I don't believe they sign 3 year agreements with foreigners.--
Anyway, more than 50+ f/o's left Pegasus for Turkish Airlines last year. And some of the f/o's still face legal issues due to this past agreement.
The moral of the story is that Pegasus is sick of pilots leaving the company after sponsoring type-ratings. Now, they started with this training b.s! I still think it's wrong and I will try to explain the situation further...
It's the same story with AtlasJet, Onur Air and others at the moment. Last month approx. 50+ f/o's left Atlasjet & Onur for TK. And the private companies went to the government to freeze the transfers. And the talks are still ongoing.
The next quesiton is, why do the Turkish F/O's transfer to Turkish Airlines?
- 1.5 to 2x the monthly salary + overtime (I believe over 75h/month)
- 4 bonuses a year.
- Not a charter airline, more time at home...
- Owned by the government, more secure...
So, what should the charter airlines do to stop these transfers?
- Increase the pay! - that's the most important step...
- No one wants to fly 100+ hours for 8+ months.
- No one wants to be based overseas (Iran, Saudi Arabia, Dubai etc.) for months in Winter.
For a foreigner flying in Turkey, people usually use the charters for time building and take off once they reach the hours. So, the charters end up a high end flight school for low houred pilots. And the charter airlines end up being in a training phase year around. And that's exactly what Pegasus is doing at the moment!
To stop this, value your flight crew, treat them with respect, pay more money to your pilots - and no one will leave every other month!
That was my $.02

not even peanuts

well said Diverine,

And to quote you: '....To stop this, value your flight crew, treat them with respect, pay more money to your pilots - and no one will leave every other month!..', is exactly what Pegasus should do.

Needless to say, many -if not all- yabancis are looking for jobs elsewhere. It would be insane if they wouldn't. Pegasus owns this to itself.

DC-8

Hi!

I'd like to speak to any Pegasus pilot. PM me if you want.

Thanks!